Oct 262011

Amway Meeting? I thought "In Fellowship" had a Spiritual Connotation and wasn't just to promote a very lucrative Brand for Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. All of these "In Fellowship" CC Senior Pastors could give a flying Dove about their "Fellow" Pastors/Elders in sin. But, rub shoulders with them at the CC Amway Convention? No problem!

It’s been a rather interesting and enlightening process, this whole Calvary Chapel situation.

The story of Bob Grenier’s abuse and corruption is well-documented. The Child Abuse is confirmed by Chuck Smith himself and even by Bob Grenier’s own words in a confession to the Calvary Chapel Board in 1988 (thanks to “smoking gun” testimony recently by a former CCV Board Member).

It’s no longer a matter of “who do we believe?” Bob’s guilt has been irrefutably confirmed…and even expressed by Chuck Smith himself from the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Pulpit.

Calvary Chapel Pastors, you profess to “teach the Bible simply”…it’s time for you to exercise your Scriptural Responsibility here:

1 Timothy 5:19-22

19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. 21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

 22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

The push-back I’ve heard from Anonymous CC pastors (like “Another Voice”) and many other CC pastors over at PhoenixPreacher is “I have nothing to do with Calvary Chapel Visalia”, “I don’t know Bob Grenier from Adam”, “I have no responsibility”, “Not my problem”, etc.

The push-back I hear from Chuck Smith from the “meeting” and from the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Pulpit is “I’m not Bob’s Pastor”, “Not my responsibility”, “I don’t have control”, “I don’t want control”, etc.

Words have meaning. Creeds have meaning. Agreements have meaning. Public statements, promotions, proclamations have meaning. Scripture has meaning.

Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has direct ties to a Corporation called CCOF (Calvary Chapel Outreach Fellowship, formerly Calvary Chapel Office of Fellowship). Chuck Smith is President (per IRS Documents). Roger Wing is Chuck’s Agent and manages the Corporation.

Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa owns the rights to the Calvary Chapel Name and Dove Logo. CCOF promotes the spread of the Brand and seeks out potential “Affiliates”. These potential “Affiliates” must go through a Process to become “In Fellowship” with Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith and the other Affiliated Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors. Only upon approval and a vetted and agreed to Fellowship (or Affiliation) Agreement (a Contract) can the potential Pastor become a “Calvary Chapel Pastor” with the rights to the CC Name and Logo in tow and the Authority to promote that Name and that Brand of Church (which relies heavily on Chuck Smith’s name, legacy, credibility, success, stated doctrinal positions, support, resources, etc).

Let’s examine the facts of this “Affiliation” or “In Fellowship” situation, in other words, what are these so-called “purely independent” Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors “agreeing” to?


From the CCOF Website:

“Calvary Chapel Outreach Fellowships (CCOF) exists to encourage and assist Calvary Chapel Pastors and those who desire to become Calvary Chapel pastors. Our heart and focus is to foster an environment of fellowship, encouragement and unity among all Calvary Chapel pastors throughout the world. We also desire to assist pastors who are considering applying to become Calvary Chapels through our Application Process.”

A CC Pastor must “apply” and go through an “Application Process”.

From the CCOF Website:

“First, you as the Senior Pastor of your fellowship, along with your church leadership, need to understand, agree with and embrace the doctrinal positions presented in the Calvary Chapel Statement of Faith and the distinct characteristics of the Calvary Chapel Movement as presented in the book Calvary Chapel Distinctives by Pastor Chuck Smith. Reading this book and the Statement of Faith will hopefully help you discern whether you have a heart and mind connection with, and commitment to, Calvary Chapel.

Second, our general policy is to only enter into the fellowship process with those churches who are meeting on Sundays. We will not generally begin this process with those who are in the home fellowship stage of ministry or who are not meeting on Sunday.

Third, since Calvary Chapel Outreach Fellowships is a fellowship of churches, fellowship is at the heart of who we are and what we do. We encourage you not to begin this process if you are not willing to make this commitment to fellowship with your other Calvary Chapel pastors and fellowships. This is done through attendance at local Pastors Conferences held throughout the year, our annual Senior Pastor’s Conference in California, and on-going fellowship with the pastors in your area.”

The use of the word “Fellowship” is quite a theme. Even a CCBC grad ( 🙂 ) can’t miss its continual use throughout the CCOF Website and throughout the Application.

So, what does “Fellowship” mean?

According to Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary it means: (a) companionship, company, associate (vb.); (b) the community of interest, activity, feeling or experience, i.e., a unified body of people of equal rank sharing in common interests, goals, and characteristics, etc.; (c) partnership, membership.

How does Scripture define “Fellowship”?

From Bible.org:

Greek Words for Fellowship

The Koinwn Words

(1) Koinos (the root word)

The language of the New Testament is called koinh Greek because, through the conquests of Alexander the Great, it was the common language of Christ’s day for Romans, Greeks and Jews alike. Koinh means common. Koinwnia comes from koinos which means “common, mutual, public.” It refers to that which is held in common.

(2) Koinwnia (n) and Koinwneo (vb) (primary words)

There are two main ideas with this word: (a) “to share together, take part together” in the sense of partnership or participation, and (b) “to share with” in the sense of giving to others. As we will see, there are four key ideas that come out of these two meanings according to New Testament usage.

The New Testament usage according to sentence construction refers to: (a) the thing shared in common in some way by all parties involved as relationships, blessings or burdens, privileges, or responsibilities (all believers in Christ share many things in common); (b) the person(s) doing the sharing with others; (c) the person(s) with whom there is sharing; and (d) an abstract quality of the concept of fellowship, with no object, used alone as in Acts 2:42.

(3) Koinwnos, Koinwnikos (secondary words)

Koinwnos means “a partner, associate, companion” (2 Cor. 8:23; Luke 5:10; Phil. 1:7) or “a partaker, sharer” (1 Cor. 10:18-20; 2 Cor. 1:7; 1 Pet. 5:1; 2 Pet. 1:4).

Koinwnikos, is an adjective meaning “characterized by koinwnos, ready to share or partake” (1 Tim. 6:18).

The Metocos Words (metocos, metoch)

These words come from meta, “with,” plus ecw, “to have.” The basic idea is “to have with” or “to have together.”

Metocos means: (a) “a sharing in, a partaking of” (Heb. 3:1, 14; 6:4; 12:8); and (b), “a partner, associate” (Heb. 1:9; Luke 5:7).

Metoch means: (a) “sharing, fellowship”; or (b) “partnership” (cf. 2 Cor. 6:14 where it is used with koinwnia).

Common theme in both the World’s Definition of “Fellowship” and God’s Definition of “Fellowship”.

“Sharing, Partnership, Associate”…like say a “Fellow” Pastor/Elder? You bet.

Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors are either not fulfilling their Scriptural Responsibility here: 1 Timothy 5:19-22 or they are misrepresenting their claims of being “In Fellowship” with each other and should quit giving a false impression to the Public and stop lying.

When push comes to shove, Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors are happy to be “in Fellowship” in name only and for Public Relations and Promotional Purposes. When it comes to fulfilling their Scriptural Responsibility for the benefit of their “Fellow” Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors and the benefit of the families of their “Fellow” Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors and other families affected by their “Fellow” Calvary Chapel Senior Pastors…they dodge, deflect, duck and dive…and fly for cover, like a Dove.

 Posted by at 6:47 pm
Oct 262011


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I will be joined by a very special guest Alex Grenier of the website Calvary Chapel Abuse. We will sit down and discuss the CC movement and the patterns of abuse that are growing at an alarming matter. We will discuss his meeting with Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel laywer Janet Carter. Just a warning, this will not be for the weak of stomach or those who freely drink down the Calvary Chapel Kool-Aid! Please plan to join us as we deal with Devils!

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 Posted by at 4:21 pm
Oct 212011


[Click blue link above] Thank you to Phil Naessen’s (Philly Flash) for the opportunity to interview via his Podcast. Hopefully it gets much needed information out to the public in another attempt to get some resolve to this terrible situation, to call Calvary Chapel Leadership to repentance and to warn others about the ongoing sin in the Camp Calvary Chapel and the mishandling of it.

Bob Grenier is the Poster Child for everything that is wrong with the Moses Model Construct as articulated and practiced by some Circles in the Calvary Chapel Tent.

Again, I call Chuck Smith, Pastor/Leader of the Calvary Chapel Movement / Denomination to Dis-Affiliate Bob Grenier and hold him to account as Bob’s “Pastor”.

 Posted by at 10:56 am
Oct 192011

"Calvary Christian Fellowship, a Calvary Chapel AFFILIATE"...but, I thought, err, Chuck Smith and Dave Rolph said...um, "Affilliate"? (Dave Rolph emailed stating again, that he denies dodging/denying the "Affiliation" issue in the "meeting", that he only denied ever seeing or signing an "Affiliation" agreement. He now says I "misunderstand" him, rather than that I'm lying. I still disagree with his take. If he is so adamant and crystal clear now, why, in the meeting, didn't he say something like, "Well, you've pressed this point hard, obviously there's Affiliation, it's a real thing and we still do it, BUT, I've never seen or signed an Affiliation Agreement". A great opportunity for him to so strongly clarify his position of acknowledging Affiliation would have been when I accused him and Chuck of playing lawyer games. But, no clarification after that comment, just the dance. This picture was taken last week in North Idaho.

 Posted by at 11:51 am