Aug 232011
 

larabee et al v. costa mesa et al

Click on the link above to review the lawsuit.

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  1. Raul Ries is named in the lawsuit as well.

  2. The “domino effect” is about to be played out before our very eyes. May God be glorified as earthly justice comes to pass.

  3. They spelled ‘Calvary’ wrong, you think these people would know how to spell.

  4. Pretty common in many lawsuits I’ve reviewed…typos, misspellings, etc. Most lawyers are not English Majors :smile:

  5. The suit alleges some pretty serious things. If Pastors/employs/agents of Calvary Chapel knew or should have known that Iglesias was a pedophile and/or had inappropriate sexual encounters with minors…and put him in a position to be with kids…that is really really bad.

    The interesting part of the suit is that it begins to assert Agency and Implied Agency of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and begins to challenge their “loose affiliation” construct.

  6. Alex, UGM

  7. As laid out in the suit, the Agency and influence of the main campus & CCOF that has been exercised or not in the past is well researched and demonstrated, IMO. My hope is that other past and currently abused children will gain courage to stand up to their abusers and the ones who gave them such church sanctioned opportunity to damage them. In every church and organization who depends on adults to be positive influences on children, may the perpetrators be discovered and NEVER allowed to have such opportunities again.

  8. A clergy member who acquires knowledge or reasonable suspicion of child abuse during a penitential communication is not required to make a report. For the purposes of this subdivision, ‘penitential communication’ means a communication intended to be in confidence, including, but not limited to, a sacramental confession, made to a clergy member who, in the course of the discipline or practice of his or her church, denomination, or organization, is authorized or accustomed to hear those communications, and under the discipline, tenets, customs, or practices of his or her church, denomination, or organization, has a duty to keep those communications secret.

    Nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to modify or limit a clergy member’s duty to report known or suspected child abuse when a clergy member is acting in some other capacity that would otherwise make the clergy member a mandated reporter.

    On or before January 1, 2004, a clergy member or any custodian of records for the clergy member may report to an agency specified in § 11165.9 that the clergy member or any custodian of records for the clergy member, prior to January 1, 1997, in his or her professional capacity or within the scope of his or her employment, other than during a penitential communication, acquired knowledge or had a reasonable suspicion that a child had been the victim of sexual abuse that the clergy member or any custodian of records for the clergy member did not previously report the abuse to an agency specified in § 11165.9.

    This paragraph shall apply even if the victim of the known or suspected abuse has reached the age of majority by the time the required report is made.

    The local law enforcement agency shall have jurisdiction to investigate any report of child abuse made pursuant to this paragraph even if the report is made after the victim has reached the age of majority.

  9. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

  10. Sloppy legal work. Nothing new here that I have not seen in the past. Despite the socalled “implied agency” theory, much of the allegations are whooly incorrect factually and dubious that enough connections are made to give the court a basis for inplicating the mother ship IMO. Candidate for summary judgment after discovery.

  11. Sheck, just wait….there’s more comin’.

    Kosnoff has been pointed in the right direction regarding instances of Agency that’ll stick. He’s a tenacious advocate….he’s just gettin’ warmed up. He’ll track it all down eventually.

  12. Deborah, this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much bad stuff that has been covered up and even facilitated over the decades…and Chuck knew about it. Financial corruption, adultery, child abuse, nepotism, etc. Terrible situations.

    Unfortunately, there is much more of the Calvary Chapel / Chuck Smith story to tell in coming months and years.

  13. Alex, I haven’t “seen” you over at PP. Everything cool?

  14. Ron, just taking a break over there. Michael’s a great guy doing a tough job leading a Community. I can’t play nice in the sand box with some of the others….especially some of the CC pastors, and I don’t like being in an adversarial relationship with Michael where he has to police me and moderate me, so it’s wisest, IMO, to leave it alone.

    It’s difficult for me to suppress my honest expression and counters to some things being asserted by some over there….and tackling an issue and hashing it out the way I do only leads to the Community getting frustrated and mad at me. It’s difficult to wrestle all the way through an issue or claim by a particular person and while persistence is a virtue in some contexts, it’s not a virtue when it consistently ticks off the Community and puts Michael in a position to have to play Blog Police (though other moderators over there IMO enjoy the tiny bit of power).

  15. For those of you who are new after reading the article in the OC Weekly be sure to begin with, ” Meet the Family,” which is found in the upper right corner. Then go back through the archives, which are listed in the left margin. It is more than shocking, it is disgusting.

    My prayer is our God is a just God and hears the cries of His people. I believe that He WILL bring justice and severe consequences to all involved who remain stiff necked and heard hearted. He has given them many opportunities to take responsibility for their sinful actions and to step down displaying genuine repentance.

  16. Alex, I have been lurking over there for about 5 years or so. And though I don’t agree with everything you say (stinkin Alex, what is he thinking :) ) , I liked reading what you had, and have to say. And really, being from a CC background, they don’t have to like what you say, and they also don’t have to skulk away. Skulk might be harsh, but it is a good word. I think my problem with Calvary Chapel’s tend to be that if something is going on that is wrong, a bunch of them just won’t speak out against it. Sure, you have to have all your marbles in a row when you do say something, but if it needs to be said, say it whether the rest of the peoples like it or not. Right is right.

    Oh, and I am glad that you are OK.

  17. Ron, I agree with the use of skulk.

    I think the CC guys can be quite manipulative and use their participation on Michael’s blog (or lack of participation) as leverage to get him to keep me in line.

    The “good” CC guys on the PhxP (and my assumption is they are “good”, but who really knows) still don’t get that they have a responsibility in all this as ‘affiliated’ pastors who sit next to some of these abusive corrupt jerks at CC Pastor’s Conferences…and the “good guys” do little or nothing. They say, “we can’t, we won’t, not our problem, don’t lump us in with them, impossible to deal with, etc etc”.

    All sorts of excuses of why they can’t and won’t do something to stand up for justice and righteousness and AT LEAST influence an open hearing to hear all sides and make a Judgment per what the Apostle Paul says here:

    1 Corinthians 6:1 If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? 2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?

  18. When there is more attention to justice and accountability outside the “church” than inside the church…there’s a big problem.

    Chuck Smith should be ashamed of himself for ignoring the cries for help…yet acting on some pleas, when it is people he knows personally.

    Example, Chuck got involved in Riverside when a youth pastor ran off with an 18-year-old girl. Chuck Smith lowered the boom on that situation, even though the lead CC pastor did what he could….and even though the girl was a legal adult. According to sources, the girl’s parents knew Chuck and made noise, and Chuck sent in Roger Wing and nearly yanked the Dove and put a ton of pressure on that CC because Chuck Smith had some skin in the game through the relationship with the parents.

    It shows Chuck Smith’s duplicity and favoritism and his lying.

    He gives false impressions, his goal is to minimize his liability rather than take responsibility as the Father of all these CC pastors….and Chuck does discipline CC Pastors and employs, when he feels like it and when it is someone or something he cares about. It is very unjust and very much not what Scripture asserts.

  19. PP often brings up a subject directly related to Alex, and then gets mad when he joins in the conversation. At least, that’s how it reads to someone who hasn’t followed if for years. When people join in to support Alex, it appears they are treated more harshly. The field is not level.

    Then the reminders to have extra respect for the ideas/perspectives put forth by people who’ve been pastors for awhile, seems out of line. On a blog, one’s ideas/perspectives are to be weighed by their merit, not by the person’s title or position. The internet is a great equalizer. It’s a place where a pastor can see what people really think about their ideas, and where any thinking person can contribute. But it comes across to me as if the pastors need to be coddled and the dissenting contributors are quickly reprimanded, unless you are an longtime regular member and then you get a pass.

    Like the idea of the PP, but wish it was run without unnecessary preferential treatment of some.

  20. Greatful: PP often brings up a subject directly related to Alex, and then gets mad when he joins in the conversation. At least, that’s how it reads to someone who hasn’t followed if for years. When people join in to support Alex, it appears they are treated more harshly. The field is not level.

    That’s why I never commented at pp especially with the Dove Club guys who always seem to play the devils advocate when it comes to calvary correction… They know things are wrong but they pretend it’s not???

    Alex:The “good” CC guys on the PhxP (and my assumption is they are “good”, but who really knows) still don’t get that they have a responsibility in all this as ‘affiliated’ pastors who sit next to some of these abusive corrupt jerks at CC Pastor’s Conferences…and the “good guys” do little or nothing. They say, “we can’t, we won’t, not our problem, don’t lump us in with them, impossible to deal with, etc etc”.

    Botom line is follow the money, these guys are paid from the great cc franchise…

  21. Alex-

    I am trying to refrain from posting….. I am encouraged that you are spending more time with your supporters here Alex. It is your blog and you can say whatever you want here.
    :)

    There aren’t many modern day Joshuas.

  22. Follow the money. OOoo Kaaay!!!!
    I make less than minimum wage from “the great cc franchise”. Former CC guru, I don’t want to be your “good guy”. None of us are good, not even you.

  23. Following the money is trully a way to get to the source of much of the problems. Cutting off the money flow is also a very rapid way to get their attention. Power and money are very large corrupting agents. IMO, no man, who reads his Bible well, should ever allow himself to have full autonomy in anything. Can you imagine the temptations Chuck Smith must face each day when he sits on an asset worth 300+ million dollars. It would be very difficult to live above reproach without a serious system of accountability in place. That is what boggles my mind. Are these guys stupid or what? (Not an accusation, just a rhetorical question).

  24. Hannah, LOL. Good observation, you’re right, I should spend more time over here and I won’t get moderated :smile: (unless I give my wife access to the site :lol: )

  25. A CC Guru, there’s a dichotomy in the CC Franchise….the Haves and the Have Nots.

    You are a Have Not.

    For the Haves in the Calvary Chapel System, the Chuck Smith Dove Franchise is a Butt-in-Seats filler and the Haves know how to work the Brand and play the Game to their benefit (some anyway).

    I do agree that none of you are really “good”…but that’s no excuse to ignore the Qualifications and to ignore providing some sort of Biblical Accountability and do the best you can to do so (speaking to the leadership of the Movement, which is Chuck Smith, Brian Brodersen, etc but, also to the individual CC pastor who chooses to affiliate and “fellowship” with the System and the other CC pastors.

    We can’t “not” sin…but that doesn’t erase the Ideal and the Standard laid out in Scripture “simply”. Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel, IMO, spend more effort gracing over sin and operating a vendetta against Accountability than they do in protecting Victims of abuse and seeking Justice and loving mercy per Scripture.

    Justice shows mercy to the Victims, rather than Stone Walling, making excuses or in many cases helping the Perp cover their sin and remain in good standing…all in Jesus name of course.

  26. The Money is a factor, no doubt.

    Chuck Smith and the Big Guys in Calvary Chapel are very much about the money.

    Former insiders report a lot of nepotism and different pay scales for Chuck’s Family vs. the regular person.

    Raul Ries? Wowzers. Talk about a rich man and talk about shady financial dealings. Bernie Grant could share much about how corrupt that situation is. Dave Rolph knows about some of it and several former insiders of CCCM and Raul Ries have shared much. It’s really scandalous. Way over the line.

    The Dynamic created by the CC Big Guys is kind of like Amway. The Guys with the big money who have made big man kingdoms for themselves and who promote the Brand well by drawing in numbers and selling stuff are lauded and given Positions within the Movement/System. Some of the “small guys” look at the CCSP and other venues where the Big Guys are promoted and given Seats at the Table…and they aspire to that Big-Guy-ness…and they keep hoping (much like in Amway) that they can be a Big Guy, too! Calvary Chapel feeds on that and promotes a loyalty that is unhealthy.

    Loyalty to God and doing what’s right and loyalty to Principle should trump loyalty to Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel…but it often doesn’t.

    In one breath Calvary Chapel will claim, “we’re all independent”…but make no mistake there is a CLEAR HIERARCHY. Heck, on PhxP I was told that supposedly “good guy” Tom Stipe was a Big Guy and a “Higher Up”…which was interesting to me since guys like Tom and others say there’s no System. How can one be “higher up” from himself? Lots of Duplicity and Double Talk.

  27. “these guys are paid from the great cc franchise…”

    Chuck and CCCM sure is…and so are the Big Guys of CC. They sell their books, videos, book their conferences, get paid to speak at other CC’s and get the Amway Treatment as Big Guys in CC.

    1200 CC Franchises spread the Brand and sell lots of product for some of these guys.

    Chuck Smith, Raul Ries, Skip Heitzig, Bob Coy and many others are very rich men thanks to the spread of the Calvary Chapel Brand and the Network and Distribution they have to sell their stuff and to command big money to speak and hold conferences etc etc.

    It’s a good racket if you can break into the Emerald Club or whatever Amway term one could use.

  28. CC Guru, you ever been invited to speak at a Calvary Chapel Senior Pastor’s Conference?

    Know of any small obscure CC pastors who have?

    Why not? Aren’t you guys “anointed” too? Or is your anointing less because you don’t have a bunch of butts in seats and you don’t have books and hold conferences and promote the Brand as well as the “Big Guys” do?

    Calvary Chapel is upside down. It promotes and encourages the same way the World does. It rewards the same things the World does. It looks more and more like the Corporation it is with each passing day.

  29. Look Alex:

    If I am going to spend almost a thousand dollars to travel to Murrieta and find decent lodging offsite (since I don’t want to be bothered 24/7 by the soiled masses of lesser SP’s), I want to hear live an allstar, not some lesser type who hasn’t a clue as to what the Holy Spirit requires to succeed in ministry. What could they possibly share with me?

    It’s simple really. I desire to be a good steward of God’s resources.

  30. Motel, you’re so right, what was I thinking. “Where God guides, He provides”…therefore if you have a flock of 100 or 10 or no flock vs. a flock of 10,000 you must not be as “full of the Spirit” as the Big Guy.

    Chuck talks a lot about the 2nd Helping of the Holy Spirit in the Distinctives and anointing.

    I guess the metric is attendance and dollars and popularity? Kind of looks that way.

    The “filling” seems to be correlative to the size of the church…and the “filling’ of the coffers.

  31. Motel, it’s like I read the Distinctives and I ‘hear’ the words Chuck is saying…warning CC pastors about the dangers of “success” etc etc etc….and then I watch what Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel actually PROMOTE and practice through Group Dynamics and Reward/Incentive etc and the “action” is much different than the message.

    Chuck Smith and the Calvary Chapel System have DEFINED “success” (by how they reward and promote CC pastors) as large congregations, assimilation with Chucks’ views, butt-kissing Chuck, popularity, etc etc etc.

    Duplicitous at best…intentional at worst.

  32. Alex, you should look to a guy like the weight lifting, deep voiced Maine pastor who had some godly words for Rick Warren without even knowing him or speaking with him before publicly flogging him. hei is true example of the Deestinktives as well as an example to the soiled lesser types. Butt kissin, assimilation, big guy speak.

  33. Motel, I had a long talk with someone who knows you. It’s even worse than I could ever imagine (re: CCCM and Chuck Smith and stuff that’s gone on in his family and even the Brodersen family and with Chuck personally) and how bad stuff really has been and how much effort (and execution) of cover-up has taken place.

    I’m glad you are out of that situation…and I hope you don’t know some of the stuff.

  34. “In one breath Calvary Chapel will claim, “we’re all independent”…but make no mistake there is a CLEAR HIERARCHY. Heck, on PhxP I was told that supposedly “good guy” Tom Stipe was a Big Guy and a “Higher Up”…which was interesting to me since guys like Tom and others say there’s no System. How can one be “higher up” from himself? Lots of Duplicity and Double Talk.”

    I heard Stipe say, “To whom would you have me be accountable?” As if he were above accountability. This was many years ago, and I’ve not heard that he has instituted accountability for himself since then, but I have heard that he called Heitzig out on his issues.

    I also remember Stipe saying that numbers do count. He said the lack of numbers show that something’s wrong. Growth, he said, shows something is right. (Keep in mind, he said this when his church was at it’s largest, just before it dwindled from mega church to a few hundred, though it has grown again.)

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