Apr 052014
 
Bob Coy, senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, is to resign for a "moral" issue according to sources.

Bob Coy, senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, is to resign for a “moral” issue according to sources.

A commenter posted Friday, April 4 on Calvary Chapel Abuse blog that Bob Coy, long time senior pastor of the mega church Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, had resigned…and that an announcement to the congregation will be made in a closed meeting after services this Sunday.

Sources inside and outside of Calvary Chapel have confirmed that Coy is resigning and the reason for his resignation is “moral” failure.

One source used the word “devastated” to describe the mood of those at CCFL who are dealing with this news.

UPDATE: Sunday, April 6, 6:30PM MST:

Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale has issued a Press Release and confirmed Bob Coy’s “resignation”. An employee meeting was held at approximately 3:00PM EST today followed at 4:30PM EST by a general closed meeting for those considering CCFL their church home.

Sources tell me Coy was not present at the meeting and that an assistant pastor read a letter prepared by Coy.

The full press release is here:

Statement Regarding Bob Coy

Posted on Sun, Apr 6, 2014

Media Statement – April 6, 2014

On April 3, 2014, Bob Coy resigned as Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, effective immediately, after confessing to a moral failing in his life which disqualifies him from continuing his leadership role at the church he has led since its founding in 1985. The media ministry of the Active Word that distributes his Bible teachings through radio, television, and digital media has also been suspended.

Pastor Bob will be focusing his full attention on his personal relationship with God and with his family. The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him through the process of full repentance, cleansing and restoration.

Trusting in God’s providence, protection, provision and direction, the staff of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale will continue our mission to “make disciples,” through regular services at all campuses and through a myriad of other ministries the church has established over the years. A team of assistant pastors already on staff will maintain their usual rotating schedule as teaching pastors for all services.

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Calvary Chapel Abuse Commentary and Opinion:

This is a teaching moment for Calvary Chapel and could be a watershed moment for the Movement/Association.

I have long stated that Calvary Chapel senior pastors are not “specially anointed” as Chuck Smith had claimed as part of his CC apologetic. I know these guys, I grew up the son of a Calvary Chapel pastor, I’ve seen behind the curtain. These guys are men. They are sinners and just as much or more a sinner than you or me. They aren’t special, they aren’t anointed. Don’t build them up as something they aren’t. Many of these guys are not qualified per the standards set out in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1…and I’m beginning to think none of us men are able to meet that standard.

Let’s be frank, Coy was a rock star of a mega church…worshipped by many. He came from a Las Vegas background that fed his appetite for the carnal things. He got “saved” and sought a leadership position and was a very talented guy who rose through the ranks quickly. He was very comfortable in the spotlight and extremely charismatic…and he actually seemed like a nice guy on the surface (though some have reported he can be a jerk…but so can we all at times…I can be one of the biggest).

I get it. I know what it’s like. I’m no better than Bob Coy. You are no better than Bob Coy. We are all inflicted with the same human condition.

But, big sins can have consequences…and when you put yourself out there as “special” and “anointed” and sit atop that pedestal…it can be a long way down to hit the floor.

Coy will suffer loss for his sin. He was a big boy and took risks and made the choices he made and now it’s time to pay the piper. Many don’t get caught in Calvary Chapel and they get away with their sin for many years. My step-dad is one such example. I have more sympathy for a “moral” issue like Coy’s appears to be than I do for someone who hurts kids…but regardless, we’re all sinners and we all need Jesus. None of us get “transformed” and none of us can meet the standard…even after we’re supposedly saved. That is the great myth of Calvary Chapel’s brand of Christianity*…there is no such thing as the “transformation” gospel. We’re all still sinners after we’re saved and we’re all just as capable of sinning as we were before we were saved…which is why we NEED ACCOUNTABILITY measures in place to protect kids and to have open finances to keep things on the up-and-up with the Jesus money.

The details of Coy’s resignation will come out. A lot of people who put him on a pedestal will be disillusioned, some sad, some angry. I know. It was very sobering to find out that my “pastor” and even Chuck Smith himself were just as much NOT anointed as I am, when push came to shove.

While Coy is no better than any of us and no more “special” or no more “anointed” than anyone…he is also a human being who has sinned and if he has truly confessed and repented then his life isn’t over and hopefully he wants to make amends with his family and hopefully God will help them to forgive and reconcile.

This is not a happy day and not an “I told you so!”…it is simply something I always expect to happen and I know many more stories of abuse and moral failure will come from Calvary Chapel…because I know the truth about mankind and religion.

Calvary Chapel pastors currently hiding your sins…come clean, do the right thing. If you really “trust the Lord”…then quit dodging the consequences and man-up and take your medicine. I did it at one time in my life. It was terrifying, but actually trusted the Lord and did the right thing not knowing how things would go from there. Quit playing Business with your church, quit playing Celebrity and Guru and quit hiding behind the veneer that you are something you are not. If Calvary Chapel ever wants to see a true “move of the Spirit”…it will start with Leadership coming forward and being honest about who they are, what they’ve done and then exampling true Christianity for the world to see. True Christianity is about humility…the humility that knows you are as much a sinner as the homosexual or the drug addict or the person who makes you uncomfortable because their sin is different from your sin.

I hope Coy is truly repentant and does whatever he can to be honorable and honest and face the consequences of his actions. I hope his family can overcome this. I hope those who esteemed him will look to Jesus and within and realize we are all in the same boat and all of our hope should be that God is truly “love” and is truly merciful…even to his “enemies”…as we are all God’s enemies at times…as well as his kids.

 Posted by at 12:22 pm

  352 Responses to “Bob Coy to resign as senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale: Update 4/6/14”

  1. Very sad day indeed.

  2. Good words, Alex!

    Amen on all the necessary accountability and transparency measures CC leadership needs to be operating with. However, the real CC accountability must be made at the level of Scripture.

    Calvary Chapel as she stands exists as a marvelous institution the Word of God calls the Whore of Babylon. I’m convinced of it. Of course those on the inside of the beast would think me a fool. But I can prove it from Scripture that she’s the perverse Whore of the Adversary.

    CC is explicitly Roman to the core—from her proclamation of a False Gospel to her promotion of a False Religious Authority. These are what makes her the Whore. And the Sword of the LORD is against her.

    Somebody should write a white paper for the Body on how to discern the Bride of Christ from the Whore of Babylon.

    Just because true born again believers have been swallowed by Leviathan does not mean the beast itself is the Body. Unless you have eyes to see, you are otherwise blind to the beast while in the belly. That seems to be the case.

    “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities” (Revelation 18:4).

  3. “None of us get “transformed” and none of us can meet the standard…even after we’re supposedly saved. That is the great myth of Calvary Chapel’s brand of Christianity*…there is no such thing as the “transformation” gospel.”

    Jesus told us that we need to be born again. I really don’t think most people understand or if they do, they are teaching another gospel to get around what it does mean.

    Unless our hearts have been changed, we cannot possess the Holy Spirit. And if we do not have the Holy Spirit, then we can at best rely upon that understanding that leads us to depending upon what we know from a fleshly or worldly view. God has not set the standard to see us fail, but has set a standard or right thinking, believing, and doing that we each can walk in, when our hearts has been “transformed.” To say that we cannot live up to this is calling God a liar and giving an excuse or making a way for us to wallow in whatever sin that we do not want to really dig in and rid ourselves of it.

    The miracle that occurs when a person is born again is no less than just that. It is a work of the Lord, done in our hearts when we are truely willing to turn our hearts towards Him and to renounce that which holds us in bondage. I don’t care if it’s lust, stealing, cheating, or just simply holding an ungodly hatred in our hearts towards another or using sarcasm to get the upper hand over another. To say, that because we are human, we will sin, therefore, if He wants to change us, He will, but until then we have no choice but to continue to sin is a lie from the pit.

    As Paul has told us in Roman 3, I believe—what because of grace we should sin all the more—CERTAINLY NOT.

    It is by being born again, our hearts being changed we are able to hear, think, see, and do the will of our Heavenly Father. But when we go against this it only because we are holding onto an ungodly view to fulfill the desire, the sense of entitlement, and the pride that is really in our hearts. We do have a choice—-God has provided the way—the way of Jesus, that is the way of the cross to be set free, but we must be willing to die in order to live—-not to say with our lips we believe and that is enough.

    Too many want to live in Roman, chapter 7 and because they do not really want to give up the sin or sins that would cause them to really have their heart broken, then renewed in Christ, Jesus, they simply ignore or rewrite Roman 8.

    For instance, do you lust after another that is not your spouse—-why? Oh, I can hear the excuse even as I write this. But consider this, is it possible that you may be holding onto a set of beliefs and values that determines how you perceive that person. Is it possible that your pespective towards each gender is warped according to what fits within the framework that drives those thoughts of lust and the enititlements you think you have by just being human? Do you really understand what it means to love another human being? Do you understand what it means to love God? Because if you did, you would not lust, because no matter what another person may look like, you would see them as God does.

    That is, whether it be a man, woman, or child—you simply would not do anything to stumble them. Period.

    We can be transformed or born again. It is a choice and God has given it to us. Jesus told us: Repent and believe. John the Baptist told us that Jesus would come and that He would baptize us with fire and with the spirit. It is by those temptations that God allows in our lives that He uses to show us the nature of our hearts and how we must come to grips with them in order to repent and rid ourselves of so that we are no fall or give in to that temptation again. When we repent and truely permit our hearts to be convicted that we can come to grips with what we must get out of our lives by realigning our thoughts and beliefs with His, that sets us free. But to say, that “woe is me, blah, blah, blah, we then are actually saying that this is too painful or too inconveniet, thus we give ourselves an excuse to continue. In turn, we just keep cycling through the shame and toxic guilt that keeps us from being able to realize the true freedom we have in Christ, Jesus.

    This has nothing to do with works, as some would like you to believe or perhaps you believe yourself. It has to do with the gospel message and what Jesus has told us—you must be born again. You must repent and you must walk in obedience to the Father. It’s is His standard, but remember this, by being born again—you can overcome because now you have the Holy Spirit to empower you and to keep you, as you overcome and turn from that which is not of Him. To be in Him means nothing less than this. It is a miracle and yes, it involves a heart that has been transformed that is readily recognized by those who witnessed and have experienced such a transformation.

  4. ” Do you really understand what it means to love another human being? Do you understand what it means to love God? Because if you did, you would not lust, because no matter what another person may look like, you would see them as God does”

    Good words Linda.

    Good to hear from you!

  5. http://www.activeword.org/

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    Google cache…

    13 hours ago – Since Pastor Bob had his life dramatically changed by Jesus, he’s noticed the change in the way people react to His name. Find out for yourself …

  6. Well written Alex; you compassion and understanding comes through. I don’t think sexual immorality is exclusive to CC, as we have seen in many denominations and in all walks of life, from politicians to actors to musicians to sports figures. Where there is opportunity there is greater probability, and unfortunately with fame and fortune come greater temptation so your point is well taken that the bigger the celebrity the more checks and balances need to be in place, and CC’s style of ministry is geared to turning out celebrity pastors, with women congregants fawning all over them, like if they’re Rock Stars, oohing and ahhhing at their every word, idolizing and idealizing them in their minds, that as these pastors let their guards down there will be a strange and beautiful woman to make them feel young again, telling them how great they are, so I believe that what you find with Bob Coy is just the tip of the iceberg, as I’m sure you know and you addressed that there are many more out there double dipping and falling for the pleasurable seduction of lust. And as a man you know that none of us are beyond temptation in this way. We need to pray for Bob and his situation, and if truly he has stepped down of his own accord he ought to be commended at least for coming clean rather than hiding his sin until he was caught, and if he was caught, then God can work in his heart to produce genuine repentance so that his heart and marriage can be healed. But most of all pray for the congregants to realize that Bob Coy, like Gregg Laurie, Raul Ries and all these celebrity pastors are all just men who will fail, and that their eyes need to be on the only one who will never fail, and that’s Jesus.

    Your feelings for these celebrity pastors is where the biggest sin may lie as you have lifted them up and deified them, where according to God’s word, they are not to be commended or looked up to, anymore than the custodian at the church or the Sunday school teacher, for all are to be servants and are merely instruments using whatever their gift may be for God and their fellowman.

  7. I tried to look for Bob Coy videos/messages on marriage. Found a link to one on the CC FTL site and got a similar “not available” message from the site. They usually are not this quick…

  8. Very sad that you allow the Enemy to use as a tool of dissension within the Body, even sadder is your arrogance and sense of enjoyment. Your bitterness and resentment comes through more than grace and love…the title of your page validates this. Please allow the Lord to truly heal those wombs which cause you to be so hateful towards this Calvary Chapel movement.

  9. Looks like its getting dark at CC Dizzeyland and it’s almost closing time…

    Can anyone write a big rubber check to CCFL for ex-pastor Boob now that he’s unemployed??? I’m in for $100,000,000!!!

  10. Meagan, I thought Alex was very sensitive and sympathetic in the words he shared. Not at all mean spirited or condemning as you seem to suggest.

  11. Linda, good hearing from you.

  12. Meagan, actually that was my best attempt at gracious and humble while remaining truthful and realistic and not sugar-coating stuff.

    I can do mean-spirited and pompous…in spades, but that wasn’t an example of it IMO.

  13. Blast from the past…

    comment # 1 (mean2bnice aka BC?) post “Bob Coy, Good Bad or Ugly”

    You people have too much time on your friggin hands. Looking for reconciliation or war? Alex is cruisin’ 4 a bruisin’. Take this page down man! Leave Bob Coy out of this mess you have goin’ on with Bob Grenier. Oh how misery loves company. Coy is not Grenier or Ries. CCFTL is large and successful, Bob Coy is very powerful and he’ll kick your butt and anyone else trying to expose him. The Moses Model is what it is so why don’t you losers just accept that, move on and stop the BS about a 3-step Matthew method which goes contrary the Moses Model and does not apply to CC pastors.

    Let me just say Bob Coy didn’t dodge a bullet, he won the sex abuse suit and it really doesn’t matter how because when CCFTL is at war, all is fair in love and war, anything goes, nothing is out of bounds and he has boat loads of resources and influence to get the job done with full support. Also, lay off the judge, may her soul rest in peace; she was under authority to her pastor which is lacking on this forum. With a church that big and successful I double dare anyone question if the hand of God is upon that ministry? This site is satan’s tool and Bob Coy will not stand for it. You have to come up against us with dodomas power or back off. Take this site down already. Enough!

  14. Meagan Gilbert,

    I trust you’ll agree with me that we are to love the things Christ loves, and to hate the things Christ hates. This is natural for those who have the heart and mind of Christ.

    Would you allow me to walk you through the various Scriptures that have helped me discern Calvary Chapel as being an accursed movement that is most hateful to our Lord and Savior?

  15. Bob Coy’s not the only Calvary Chapel pastor with these issues. I have a file with many of them, other big names…who have done the same or similar or something just as bad or worse. Coy just got caught. A lot of his CC peers are dancing between the rain drops.

  16. I’ll bet Brian’s on the phone now trying to make damage control ;)

    How about another wanker vid with soft background music staring you and Pokemon?

  17. Brian’s got his own issues he needs to deal with (and should).

  18. Doug, looks like they zapped all of Coy’s stuff. It’s like he went into witness protection.

  19. I want to know how this got exposed? Why didn’t Coy just follow the typical path of fire the board and replace them with cronies and then ignore the story

    That’s how the rest of the scoundrels stay out of the cross fire.

  20. LOL the usual case of characters at PhP are talking about reconciliation. Is there any evidence that Coy has repented? How did this get exposed? Was it one of those situations like Hocking where he denied until he could deny no longer and the burden of evidence was too strong?

    All of the speculation there is pointless until the facts become public and they rarely become public.

    I’m just bummed I couldn’t snag a couple videos by Coy on marriage…

  21. For Meaghan ,my question to you is, “Were you raised Catholic?”

  22. “How about another wanker vid with soft background music staring you and Pokemon?”

    Alright that’s the best worded and concise video review yet.

  23. Not sure how long that FB page will be up since they’ve nuked much of his other stuff.

  24. I appreciate your comments on teachings and churches you disagree with. But I am curious on what church or type of church you guys or gals would recommend.

  25. Find a church that’s not pastor-centric, but Christ centered. Call the church before attending and ask them if the finances are open to the congregation because you would like to see where your tithes and offerings go, since you’re planning to attend there. or begin a bible study in your home, and invite the neighbors.

  26. Please pray for his wife and kids. The start of spring cleaning in CC. On behalf of us who have been abused in CC thanks Alex you’ll never know how much you have helped the many who had no voice. Thank- you!

  27. Doug, yer killin’ me! You made me do it:

    His last fb post (Thursday at 3:37) takes on a whole new meaning in light of this story….

    “I can’t wait for beach baptisms next month!”

    And no way he came clean on his own if he thought he’d still be doing baptisms in May.

  28. Sheck-

    Let’s pray for this man and his family who must be suffering terribly.

  29. I actually thought cc financials were online for all to see. I also am aware of great home bible studies that have turned into churches. I guess I’m wondering where all of this is going. In the end it just seems like people fail us. Seriously where are you going to church. I don’t want to here “find a good church”, I want some recommendations since cc’s are not doing church correctly.

  30. CC pastor’s wives are” Stepford Wives”, if Diane Coy’s family reads this please get her professional help outside of CC, and if Alex’s mom reads this call your son, it’s been way to long. It’s time to tell the truth. The Truth will set You Free.

  31. You know Alex, instead of starting strife and hating on CC, why don’t you take a minute to pray for the pastors and their churches. I hope you all are not “gloating” about what happened.

  32. Tim,

    toward discerning the soundness of any congregation I believe there are two critical issues involving a body’s faith and practice that if not properly aligned to the Word of God will cancel them from being consider a legitimate operation.

    These two ultimate issues regard their teaching on salvation and their expression of spiritual authority.

    If they employ some sort of hierarchical structure and teach that some members hold positions of ruling authority over others—than this is an unbiblical establishment that should be marked for avoidance and condemnation.

    I support this assertion with Scripture here:

    http://spiritualauthority.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/obey-your-leaders-and-submit-to-them/

  33. Also,

    If they teach that the acquiring and keeping of a believer’s salvation has anything to do with their willing and / or their running (such as Calvary Chapel teaches) than you have a false expression of the Body of Christ. It is a dangerous house of bondage.

    Here’s an extensive teaching on this I put together recently for a friend that covers this issue here:

    http://spiritualauthority.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/assurance-of-salvation-2/

    Please consider what I’ve written, and challenge anything that appears wrong. Please correct me and sharpen me in my understanding.

    David

  34. Tim,

    I believe the proper biblical model for church governance involves a congregational approach to discerning and performing God’s will as overseen by a plurality of elders who are ultimately (ecclesiastically) accountable to the members they serve and stand before.

    Here’s a 50 page booklet by Mark Dever entitled “By Whose Authority”. I commend it to you. I believe Dever get’s our ecclesiology right.

    http://involve.9marks.org/site/DocServer/By_Whose_Authority.pdf

  35. “Gayle” I’ve prayed for what’s happened and happening in Calvary Chapel for a long time. It’s happening. If CC doesn’t come clean and change course then I’ve prayed God will clean house.

    I’m not gloating, like I said in the commentary above…I expect it, it doesn’t surprise me. I know the truth about man and church and the gospel etc. These pastors are not special and not anointed, they are sinners like the rest of us. As such, they need some basic accountability things built into their by-laws and they need to share the power at their CC Franchises b/c it’s not a matter of “if” many will go off the rails…but when..or rather when they end up getting caught.

  36. where is the validity behind any of this? i’m a first time visitor to this site and i must say you seem to go out of your way to point out flaws in one specific brand of churches. i’m sure if you felt as inclined as you lead on, alex, that you’d pinpoint examples of sin in ALL areas of life, not just calvary chapel(s). i mean, “calvarychapelabuse.com”?

    you seem educated, intelligent, and well-read. put some of that effort into finding the vast amount of good calvary chapel(s) have done for the near-by communities instead of pointing out inherent flaws. we’re all sinners, of this i’m sure. its obvious that not one person (aside from christ himself) has led a perfect life. what makes pastors of megachurches any more susceptible to sin than pastors of small churches? nothing at all. stop stirring up the “stories” and pray. this site is an abomination. its actually disgusting to me that you feel the need to air the dirty laundry of these churches. it only paints a negative light of a mostly positive establishment.

    grow up.

  37. Gosh, I don’t think anyone who has commented has stepped over the line in being hateful, divisive, or even hateful in the little bit of sarcasm that may have been expressed. I get a sense that this revelation of Mr. Coy’s choices has been bittersweet for everyone. That is, we all knew these things were going on in Calvary Chapel due to it being a perfect environment for people to practice such things, even among those in leadership roles and in the pulpit. Unfortunately, and I hope this is not the case for most is that we do not rush in to rescue this man from having to do the work necessary to come to terms with the choices he has been making that led him to acting out what was in his heart to do with other women, on from what I am being led to believe, was on many levels. That is directly and indirectly. What troubled me was part of a statement made. That is:

    “Where there is opportunity there is greater probability, and unfortunately with fame and fortune come greater temptation so your point is well taken that the bigger the celebrity the more checks and balances need to be in place, and CC’s style of ministry is geared to turning out celebrity pastors, with women congregants fawning all over them, like if they’re Rock Stars, oohing and ahhhing at their every word, idolizing and idealizing them in their minds, that as these pastors let their guards down there will be a strange and beautiful woman to make them feel young again, telling them how great they are, so I believe that what you find with Bob Coy is just the tip of the iceberg, as I’m sure you know and you addressed that there are many more out there double dipping and falling for the pleasurable seduction of lust. And as a man you know that none of us are beyond temptation in this way”

    Particularly the:

    “with women congregants fawning all over them, like if they’re Rock Stars, oohing and ahhhing at their every word, idolizing and idealizing them in their minds, that as these pastors let their guards down there will be a strange and beautiful woman to make them feel young again, telling them how great they are, so I believe that what you find with Bob Coy is just the tip of the iceberg, as I’m sure you know and you addressed that there are many more out there double dipping and falling for the pleasurable seduction of lust”

    Now I may be hearing this wrong, but then again maybe not, as I have heard this said before and I think that when we fall prey to believing this, we also fall into the trap of thinking that we may not be, being as graceful or so willing to forgive nd restore–since after all, didn’t Jesus tell those who wanted stone the woman caught in adultery, that he who was without sin should cast the first stone. Then after telling the woman she was basically free to go, He told her to Go, and Sin no more—meaning not to continue sleeping around. I’ve have always wonder if this woman was set up by the leaders to enable them to trap Jesus, or perhaps, and/or she was a prostitute trying to survive, but I never once thought she was doing what she had been doing because she was a sex addict or that she had this lust problem that drove her to being used by the man or men she had slept with. Whatever it was, it doesn’t not appear that it had anything to do with her self image or going after something that was not hers to have. Which then brings me to saying that a pastor is in a place of authority and leadership. The Bible sets forth the standard and the qualification for a person to take on this position and if He (or she) is unable to do this, without hiding behind the excuse or letting a fellow pastor off the hook of not doing so because, “after all, a pastor has so many temptations, etc, etc,, then it stands to reason that person was never called in the first place.

    To say or to even attempt to destract from the fact that such a person is totally responsible for the choices they make no matter how much they may be idolized is watering down and making light of the deep abiding problem that lies within that person in the first place. If He fell it is because He set himself up to fall by the mere token of thinking far more of himself and the role of what He believe was his right to do and to have simply “because he is in charge.” Not long ago I had listened to a Bible study done by Chuch Swindoll on a closely related topic. Chuck boiled it down to this: desire, grandiosity and pride. Then went further to add what goes on in the thoughts that leads a person to such choices. That is: “I want it.” “I deserve it.” “I can handle it.”

    These types of issues do not percolate overnight. They are wrought from that which have simmered and been fed time after time until it becomes so 2nd nature that it feels as though to not to act on them is as though one is being deprived of something that no one “in their right mind” would not understand if found out. “After all, look at all the good things they have done”

    I do not believe that people take time out to understand the devastation that takes place in the heart of the woman that was betrayed. What she must have gone through watching her husband be unfaithful to her in so many ways, long before he either admitted or was found out. You see, it is long before the actual physical act of sexual adultery is committed that this person had begun to toss his wife under the bus, while fantasizing and lusting after others in her place.

    I am so glad that this was expose for one reason alone. That is, as Paul had written—it now gives the church individually and as a community to: 1) to clean out the leaven, 2) to protect those victimized, and to not be so quick to restore until those fruit of repentance are clearly evidenced. To do otherwise is not God’s way, but only those who either do not really understand what evidence needs to be in place or don’t want to bother with the process it takes to insure the safety and welfare of those who had been exploited, seduced, and mesmerized by such who led everyone to believe he (or she) was that which took such little thought, care, and concern with those who was placed close to their hearts by marriage and then by the supposed calling from which they claimed to have from God.

    Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for any pastor who does this. It is a choice and it didn’t happened by accident, but rather was deliberate and intentional every step of the way. Although they may have been in denial–it was due to that narcissistic state of mind that enabled them to believe for a second that it was ever okay to do and that being who they were would exceed anything that anyone else could say or do that would cause them to be held to an account.

    My heart goes out to this man’s wife and children. He is the person who needs treatment–lots of it. And this wife needs all the support and protection she can get while her husband does what he should have done a long, long time ago.

  38. Wow…some of u people including the person who wrote this, are nuts. ..monax ill call u out first..the whore of babylon really??? As a member of Calvary chapel in seriously offended…there are false converts in every congregation and cc is no exception..

    This pastor made some sort of mistake people get over it…I hate how this post is saying he predicts many more to come…what in the world, which cc has he been to?? Every single one I’ve attended in california has been led word by word by a humble pastor, and ya its sad ft lauderdale hasn’t followed suit, but people lets not lump the whole group together..instead pray for the man and his family…remember, let him who stands take heed lest he fall

  39. “As a member of Calvary chapel ”

    Calvary Chapel doesn’t have official membership. CCCM has it in their by-laws but doesn’t really practice it.

    “membership” has a connotation that you have a say at the particular CC franchise and elect elders and boards and as such the church’s assets are essentially owned by the membership. That is not the case in Calvary Chapel.

    So, you should change your term. You aren’t a “member”…you are an attender with no say in that particular CC franchises’s business and how they spend their money and what they do or don’t do etc. You are an “attender” or part of the audience, you aren’t a “member”

  40. ” As a member of Calvary chapel in seriously offended, Every single one I’ve attended in california has been led word by word by a humble pastor”

    Daniel take your blue pill and go night night…

  41. For this website and the rest of u people who seem to b gloating…if this man is a brother in Christ, what happened to exhorting him and restoring him to grace preached by God through Paul?? This site, the name itself “calvary chapel abuse” seems like the creator has a personal vendetta against all calvarys nationwide…

    I have lasting relationships with three cc pastors, and they teach biblically sound doctrine…like I said before,DO NOT JUDGE THE WHOLE GROUP BASED ON THE MISTAKE OF ONE…we are not apart of the cc movement, we are apart of the God movement!

  42. Alex, please..SPARE me the legalism..that is ALSO something prea ched against by Paul…you know very well what I mean, cc isn’t the only church I’ve attended in the past…and all the cc I have been to in the past don’t require tithing even though we as Christians should

    I like how u attacked one word of my post and avoided the rest…

    Slag, take a piece of humble pie amd go night night, not too mature of you…

  43. You had used the term “member” and it caught my eye b/c Calvary Chapel senior pastor Jimmy Kempner when he got busted for prostitution solicitation got in a nasty church fight with the congregation over property, building, assets etc…and the people found out they were not “members” and had no rights. They gave the money, they paid for the stuff…but they were merely attenders and the audience. When push came to shove it was Kempner’s stuff as his handpicked board controlled the assets and he could fire board members and simply put new ones in their place.

  44. Daniel – people here are praying for this man. CC loves calling out the Catholic church, loves calling other churches lukewarm, loves considering themselves the superior group – but CC can’t stand it when the 3 fingers are pointing back at them. To understand this site, you would need to do alot of reading here. Welcome—

  45. “I have lasting relationships with three cc pastors”

    I’ll guess: Raul Ries, David Rosales, Pancho Juarez?

  46. Isn’t/wasn’t Bob one of the top 3 in Calvary Chapel’s Moses hierarchy? A Pastor of pastors who was given exclusive speaking rights by Chuck and Brian at the coveted CC Senior Pastors Conferences?

    Many CC Pastors are t(s)old that Bob’s way is the goal of being a Calvary Chapel…

    You’ve gotta be famous and suc$$eful like Pastor Bob and get yourself a Multi-Site church to get the mic at the CCSP Conference…

    http://vimeo.com/45754489

  47. Just Say’n, yah, he was pretty much in the CC Trinity of big guy speakers at those recently: Brodersen, Laurie and Coy.

    I’m guessing Skip Heitzig will get called up from the minor leagues to replace Coy in that Three-headed group.

  48. ….though Heitzig made a play for the throne with Paul Smith so Brian B. probably isn’t too fond of him. But Brian B’s got his issues now so the may not be around come next CCSPC so who knows.

    It’s a tumultuous time right now in CC. I hope a lot of these guys that I am privy to their “stuff” come clean and do the right thing.

  49. NO alex stop…we are MEMBERS of the body of Christ period…this is the biblical doctrine that I’ve been taught and have studied personally..I don’t care about what some fallen human has claimed or done, what he did with the funds is wrong, its on him, should I b less of a Christian because of HIS mistake?? I pray not!

    And another thing Sue, the cc I have attended not onlt calls out false religions like carholicism aand Islam etc, but the pastors themselves have said even cc is accountable and held to the same exact standard, I’m sorry sue if you’re experience isn’t the same

    And no Alex, your presumptious attitude is telling me a lot although I’ve never met u, even though I’ve met Raul, I’ve become friends with Steve Wang of cc north stafford, greg of jacksonville nc, and jimmy orate of rancho cucamonga…

    Are you finished? Please pray and build up not tear down

    Like it says in proverbs, a righteous man falls down seven times amd rises again eight…

  50. Again, everyone is giving all this advise on what a good church looks like, yet no one is naming a church they go to. Does anyone go to a church, are you not proud of the right teachings and want to brag on the healthy congregation they have found. Again please name these healthy churches, I want to visit or go online and experience what a healthy church looks like.

  51. Daniel – Alex acknowledges that there are good CC , if you read here you will see that.

  52. Daniel said, “NO alex stop…we are MEMBERS of the body of Christ period…this is the biblical doctrine that I’ve been taught and have studied personally”

    OK. We’re all members of the body of christ so Paul the apostles command here applies to all of us and to everyone at other churches etc, correct?

    1 Corinthians 5:12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.

  53. Tim, IMO, a healthy church has:

    1. official membership: the congregants who give the money to pay for the stuff have say. They elect the elders and board and there is shared power. The Moses Model of CC is unhealthy and is too much power for men who are easily corrupted.

    2. Child protections in place, background checks, solid childcare policies to protect the kids, mandatory reporting policy regarding child abuse etc.

    3. Open and transparent finances. Our church budget is published for the membership to see how much was collected and where the money is going.

    4. Recourse/Process for membership who has a beef with the pastor or other leader in the church. Not “if you don’t like it, there’s the door!” mentality. It’s much more Matt. 18 and more biblical and there’s recourse for the regular member to air grievances and seek resolution.

    Those are “must haves” in my opinion to be considered a “healthy” church.

  54. Men and women do this for many reasons. To say that we are cheaters, or sinners or whatever, I guess is a simplistic way to put it, but it is human nature to sin. Some cheat, some lie, some steal, etc. It’s very easy to say we would never do this type of thing or that type of thing. But…believe me, we are all guilty of something. That is why there is Grace. Don’t ever think that anyone is above it. There is no one above it or so spiritual that it can’t happen to them. The minute you think it won’t….it will.

    I’m so sorry for Bob’s family and I’m sorry for him, too. I’m sure he has many regrets, we are all working on future regrets, unfortunately. I for one am so thankful for God’s Grace. It is His Love that brings us all to repentance. When I think of His Sacrifice for me, a sinner, that doesn’t deserve it, my sin breaks my heart. Yet, somehow, I still sin. It is the state of humanity. And God knew that.

  55. My wife and I are members at a non-denominational church that has those good accountability measures in place.

  56. Tim – Some of us like myself can’t find a ‘healthy’ church and are questioning ‘church business’ as usual in general.

  57. “This pastor made some sort of mistake people get over it…I hate how this post is saying he predicts many more to come…what in the world, which cc has he been to?? ”

    Mistake is an understatment. This wasn’t a mistake. A mistake is something done out of not knowing what one is doing or not knowing that is was the wrong thing to do or not knowing there was a better choice. He played the part of the a pastor while preaching the Word. Doesn’t make him a pastor, not does it make his adulterous mindset and behavior a bunch of mistakes, It was deliberately done, not once, not twice and not just in the moment.

    My question is how is it that you can possibly write this off as a mistake and where have you been that you don’t know that the Word is pretty clear about these things and as a person who claims to be in Christ you are not taking issue with those things that have been reported over and over again to find out if they be true — not this offense you appear to be taking because you don’t like what you are reading here. We all have been a part of many Calvary Chapel on the east and the west coast and overseas. Perhaps, you should stay longer and read more to get a better idea of how widespread these “mistakes” are within the CC’s. Perhaps then, you would know that what you perceive to be an unjust attack is not this at all, but rather due to what we ourselves know by our own experiences up close and personal as well as what we have witnessed. Or would you call us liars for the sake of watering down the truth in fear of that which you do not want to believe would become evident, thus bursting that bubble that you currently live in and have yet come to the truth of what really lies behind the curtain.

    In all sincerety, no offense is meant—just trying to say—-the truth is the truth and God’s Word is true, however, that does not make the pastor exempt from being held to an account nor does give us license to write it off as a mistake when in fact, it is such that put a stain upon that which is supposed to exemplify the very relationship that has to do with Christ and His relationship to His own bride—the church of the saints who was washed and cleansed by the very blood that was shed for it.

  58. Summer: But…believe me, we are all guilty of something. That is why there is Grace.

    Amen!… Saved by GRACE by the one who became sin, who knew no sin!

  59. Whoops, I forgot to say, Alex, good job on the article. And, I agree with your #55. We have to have checks and balances. We are simply ignorant thinking that this kind of thing doesn’t happen. Even with checks and balances they happen, but at least we can do all we can to keep it from happening.

    It occurred to me, the reason we don’t have checks and balances is because we worship that guy up at the podium. We think he is above it. But, he isn’t and either are we. The only One above it is Jesus.

  60. It’ll be interesting to hear what Coy cops to tomorrow. It will be telling whether it’s a big white-wash or some very specific confession. We’ll see what happens.

  61. Alex,
    And the name of this church you go would be?

  62. Summer said, “We have to have checks and balances. We are simply ignorant thinking that this kind of thing doesn’t happen. Even with checks and balances they happen, but at least we can do all we can to keep it from happening.

    It occurred to me, the reason we don’t have checks and balances is because we worship that guy up at the podium. We think he is above it. But, he isn’t and either are we. The only One above it is Jesus.”

    That is EXACTLY it Summer. It would have actually help these guys to have some firm boundaries. These CCSP’s build themselves up to their followers as “special” and “anointed” and having a “vision” for that particular CC (directly from God of course)…then the followers buy in and believe that stuff…then they figure “well, he’s special and not like me so I can trust him, we don’t need to see the books or have a say, etc, we trust that he’s God’s man for us!”

    …and then the wheels come off w/o any accountability other than a hand-picked board.

    As Reagan said, “trust but verify”

    Checks and balances are good for the pastor. It’ keeps good men honest and helps curtail bad men from having all the power and doing worse than they otherwise might have done.

  63. Tim, it’s non-denominational and not franchised out like Calvary Chapel so unless you live in Idaho, it wouldn’t make a difference. Though I guess you could view services online:

    http://eaglechristianchurch.com/index.php?page=media_list

    You can view and read Dr. Steve Crane’s sermons etc at that link and there is a link to view services live.

    I don’t agree down the line doctrinally/theologically as I am much more liberal theologically now than ever (not politically, politically I’m Libertarian populist, think Rand Paul / Ron Paul or Gary Johnson)…but I like ECC b/c they have solid accountability in place and I don’t have to agree down the line with them theologically an Dr. Crane does a great job of laying out the particular bible passage and then communicating the most common interpretations of the passage underneath the umbrella of Christian orthodoxy and then he shares which take he feels is most correct.

  64. I would kind of describe it as Calvary Chapel for smarter people who care more about accountability and shared power in the church and less emphasis on the Senior Pastor as the CEO and Moses. That and they aren’t obsessed with End Times which in CC tends to get old when Chuck was calling for the End in the 70′s, then 80′s, then 90′s and so on.

  65. Alex,
    So let me get this right. You go to this church and yet don’t agree with all of the theology. Isn’t that the same as someone going to another church like a CC and looking past things don’t agree with. How is this different?

  66. We have a gazillion Calvary Chapels here, but they don’t have good accountability practices in place and I don’t think they’d let me attend with the blog and all, though I have gone to Bob Caldwell’s CC franchise in Boise and I was invited and attended a rather bizarre but interesting performance by a guy named Dennis Zech at CC Emmett which reminded me of the old “after glow” days in CC mixed in with some conspiracy theory and politics and End Times.

    I’ve sat down face-to-face with Bob Caldwell and a non-member member of his CC Boise and we attempted to resolve an issue. Caldwell demonstrated the willingness to try and work it out with the person and did as good of a job in that meeting as he could have done IMO.

  67. Tim, it’s very different.

    I can overlook whether you are Covenant or Dispensational or you are a pre-trib rapture person or amil or partial preterist etc. Those aren’t hills I care to die on.

    Having lax policies that let child molesters slip through the cracks, or teaching a form of child abuse or not reporting or giving advice to not report (at the pastoral level) or hiding the finances and finding out later that the bulk of the money given “to Jesus!” is spent on the pastor and his friends and family and trips and lifestyle etc are hills I’ll die on.

  68. Another hill I choose to die on is the fact I’ve seen many long-time CC’ers who gave money their whole lives for years building a particular CC franchise end up on the outs with a CC senior pastor…and the CC pastor has all the power and the person who gave their money and time to that pastor’s franchise for years have zero say, zero power.

    Their option? Get in line or there’s the door.

    That’s wrong. Official membership and checks and balances to the pastor’s power corrects this from happening.

  69. Tim – no one here is telling you to go to CC or not go to CC. That isn’t the point of this blog. The blog is about CCabuse.

  70. My warning to you if you decide to go to a CC franchise is there are no Standards.

    One CC may have some decent child protections in place and the next one you go to could be lax and you wouldn’t know your kids is being watched by a chomo.

    One CC may use the Jesus money in a reasonable manner…and the next one you go to could have the bulk of the budget going to the pastor, his friends, his family and his lifestyle.

    The Calvary Chapel Association has some Standards to for the CC franchise and Pastor to become an “official” CC that can use the name and licensed logo that is owned by CCCM. Unfortunately the Standards are pretty much that you sign on to Chuck Smith’s set of Distinctives (basically Chuck’s version of Christianity) and then you pledge loyalty to the Brand and that’s about it.

    CC Association needs to add Standards in the form of requiring a specific set of By-Laws that address Child Protection Policies and Open/Transparent Finances in order to become an official Calvary Chapel. That would help bring some accountability to all CC’s.

  71. I think we lost Daniel.

    Usually the guys who come on here and say, essentially, DON’T JUDGE! haven’t read 1 Corinthians 5:12 or other similar verses.

  72. That’s because they are taught to leave them alone by wrongly applying the wheat and tares as the basis for not having church discipline and accountability, Alex.

  73. It will be interesting to find out if Coy’s departure was voluntary or if there is something written into the CCFL by-laws that addresses “moral failure” and gives the Board the power to give the pastor the boot.

    Many CC’s don’t have such a provision so if the CC pastor goes off the rails, the Board and attenders can’t really do much…and the pastor can fire the Board members who try to oust him and replace them with family or other friends etc. who will do what he wants.

    Seen it happen multiple times.

  74. Alex, there are 3 basic systems housed in the following structures.

    A solid circle where information cannot come in nor can it go out.
    which can be modeled as a Castle with thick walls, the drawbridge up and briars and thistle growing all over it, but no one notices until one tries to hack through to warn others or to leave it with their dignity and worth intact.

    A circle with blake spaces: no boundaries whatsoever, all manner of things are permitted to permeate the boundaries, thus making the whole system boundaryless with no protection from that which is corrupted, obscene,and most injurious to all who dares to enter in or to live amongst the inhabits. A house that is falling apart while the samaritan who own the home and the land tried to do good but failed to call to an account those who maintain their right to behave most wrongly because they were given the liberty to do so. Ultimately, the owner set up a tent in the back forties as he didn’t have the fortitude to say when enough was enough.

    A circle with blake spaces, but with sentinals standing on each side of the blake spaces. The owner took care of the property given to him. He had good boundaries and he kept out that which was harmful to his home and what was necessary to have a safe, protective, and nurturing relationships with those within his home and on his property.

  75. So it sounds like you have had a specific experience that might not be in every CC and might be in multiple churches in your own area, yet you have decided to make this a CC thing. I been to many CC and other churches across the us and the world. I surely don’t think it would ever by fair to lump one or two experiences into a whole group. I also believe a sin is a sin. If you or I have lied, cheated, or had bad thoughts, in Gods eyes we are all the same. So we are no better than Bob Coy. I don’t always agree with how business boards choose to spend funds, but there are reasons they choose to do things that I am not aware of. It is so easy to be a Monday-morning quarterback. How would you feel if you had a movie played during a service of every thought or sin you have committed in front of the whole church. None of us would like that. That’s how I feel it must be like for every pastor leading a church.
    I just know that I am always making my self aware of things going on in my church, if I find things I don’t agree with, I talk with leadership and sometimes move on.
    I do pray for all in this situation and would hope no others would have to suffer the humiliation Bob must now go through.
    I would never wish harm to anyone, we all have tough times in life, marriage, with kids, cancer, deaths.
    May God give us grace for all since he first showed grace to us. and help us to love our enemies.

  76. No…I’m just carefully observing what u all have been saying…using my eyes and ears before I speak…

    You are right Alex we are to judge the members of THE church to keep accountability…I have personally witnessed pastors apologize for mistakes they’ve made in the past, and I’ve seen people get the boot for living a worldly lifesryle yet call themselves chrisyian

    But my point is you r forgetting the second part, and that’s love….also in 1 corinthians is a good ol chapter about it…whether it be using spiritual gifts, teaching, helping, or rebuking, it is all to be done in love, and I might be wrong but that’s my opinion about your mission

    I’ve already refuted several claims you’ve made about my character as a christian, and I’m confused. Arent we on the same team???

    No summer I actually have been taught accountability. This man will lose his position in the church, rightfully so, but as previously stated, we should be PRAYING for this man and family…if someone can bring him back to grace it will cover a MULTITUDE of sin, the scriptures say…

  77. “do pray for all in this situation and would hope no others would have to suffer the humiliation Bob must now go through. I would never wish harm to anyone, we all have tough times in life, marriage, with kids, cancer, deaths. May God give us grace for all since he first showed grace to us. and help us to love our enemies.

    Whatever he must go through cannot possibly be worse than what he has placed upon his wife, children and those who placed their trust in him. It is however, that which he must bear instead of expecting others to bear the shame and guilt of the treachery that he alone committed as a result of his own choices.

    Oh, by the way not all sin are equal, nor do they carry the same weight of proof of repentance to be restored and reconciled to those he has harmed, including the females he took advantage of by misleading them into dishonoring his wife and marriage.

  78. It seems like Coy was becoming the trailblazer with the multi site model that they were all starting to copy, instead of training pastors to lead a local congregation the superstar mentality was to extend myself somewhere else though video screens, I wonder if they’ll continue this model now that the originator of this is gone? It seems people are conditioned to follow men rather than Christ. Why not just close up all the CC Churches pull out Chuck Smith’s old videos and just play them throughout the country.

  79. Bob Coy is now in the position to do so much good to his wife, family, and church. He now having been exposed can repent and bear full responsibility while coming to grips with that mindset that led him into thinking was what he was not. And once he has develop the empathy to understand the depth and the breadth of the harm he has done and how it has impacted the lives of so many, he can then work towards turning the CC’s leadership around to also stand to be held to an account and maybe, just maybe the Holy Spirit will do the work that He has wanted to do for well over the 40 years or so that CC first came to the forefront of what many of us know to be a true church of the Living Word.

  80. Linda I’m not going to argue semantics…there are verses, such as in the first chapter of James, that say all sin is indeed equally bad..but the main point is that this man has fallen into sin, and God will help him through brothers in Christ

    Cc is not immune to attack from Satan, I don’t know who spread that rumor…I think the problem here is everyone eying the man at the pulpit instead of the One on the throne..the pastor has his role, but he is by NO MEANS the STANDARD for Christians, and people on this website have a sick “I told you!” Attitude

    This man and his family, and the parties involved, and all Christians worldwide have my prayers, not just tonight, but in the past and future, and it should always be that way..no congregation is any better than the other, the ones I’ve attended never claimed such

  81. There are verses that would counter what you claim. We cannot blame everything on Satan. We have a choice and the choices that leads to most of what we tend to water down by giving a blanket label by calling or grouping them all together as “just being” sin, is also the door to not being far more diligent and observant in calling a person out.

    As for calling out a pastor, you can bet your tadoodles that there is a higher standard for them. This was not an attack from Satan. It is a mindset that was ingrained within a person who thought that he could and he did just as he thought. Not what Satan made him to think or to do. He made choices and he made them knowing better, but nevertheless chose to behave accordingly to the position of His heart. Did or can Satan use this—sure he can. But not without the cooperation of the one being misled by this person, nor by the one committing such wrong doing against others. When a person lust after another or is addicted to this or that, they will find ways to go after or they will positioned themselves to be able to obtain what ever it is that they craved or seek. Satan does not need to lift a finger. Enough of this, “Satan made me do it or put this temptation in my path.” No, if your heart was right in the first place, you would not have stumble or been tempted in the first place. I believe it was James that taught us this. Paul did also, but so did Jesus and so many others.

  82. Daniel, the point of this website that you are not understanding is that the CC model of ministry is a faulty one, that lends itself to destructive practices, and hurting God’s sheep, and it’s sites like these that are helping to point this out and perhaps help in making a change that will benefit the body of Christ. Your comment that the pastor has his role is correct, but that role was never intended to be that of a king ruling over his own kingdom, in Acts when they were discussing what should be imposed upon the Gentiles it wasn’t one guy calling the shots. You also mentioned the pastor is a sinner like anyone else, because of that very reason safeguards and checks and balances need to be in place to keep the abuse from happening, Bob Coy himself may be the victim of this faulty model that lends itself to corruption, he went unchecked for who knows how long, becoming more and more powerful so that that power corrupted him, we only see the outside, as you said that you are acquainted with some great pastors who teach the word, but you don’t know what corruption is festering inside that will eventually come bubbling to the surface. The founders of this nation understood the innate corruptability of man when they set up the three branches of government with all the checks and balances so one man would not be able to wield all the power. No one knows what power can do to them until it’s too late. So the shepherd and the sheep need to be protected against the corruption to which the CC model lends itself to. Why would any servant of God who derives his livelihood from the offerings of God’s people not allow for his salary to be known by the people that he ministers to, even Billy Graham who has had millions of dollars going through his ministry has open books.

  83. I really don’t care to argue how much they make, its not my concern..I say this with ease because the congregation I attend has been faithful with the tithes given to the handlers of the finance.and I also respecfully disagree that cc in general has a faulty system with a “king” ruling over its sheep..this pastor has obviously led a lie, and has not followed the system, aand that’s why it failed, and that goes for every pastor out there, baptist, presbyterian, nazarene, etc

    For every pastor that has fallen, ill show you ten who have walked a straight line, who have adhered to the biblical standards of what it means to be a shepard of the Lords sheep

    Once again, with all the cc I have attended, therr has been focus on a verse by verse breakdown, cross referenced by other scripture, with an emphasis of salvation by grace alone and not of works, the sharingof the ENTIRE gospel, not just the heaven part, edification for the believer, and an altar call

    If there is a problem with that I’d like to know about it…we as Christians are to concern ourselves with our walk and sharing our faith, not the pastor’s salary, who has how much say, etc..because in the end if we cared enough we would do something to fix it, not just bicker…instead of griping, why not contact staff and fill them in on some needed suggestions?? That’s as far as we can possibly go, in the end we are accountable to God, not a pastor, and I go to hear the pure word, period.

  84. I have a few comments, I sit here as my vision deteriorates in one eye and I am terrified to my eternal soul if my other eye fails. I have come to a conviction after so much time in the evangelical community, God kill me before I ever become a burden. From day one asking for help is always of Satan, always. I got that. I dont but I do. I dont know Pastor Coy, but it appears he did sin, from my pov his sin is really vile, he interrupted the revenue stream. Back in Acts God killed two people for that sin. I get that it is a business, and lets be honest it is a business, nothing more, actually secular businesses are far more honest and ethical, hands down. God watches, why does God do that, why is it God does not act? I mean millions have been slaughtered while God watches, I dont get that. If I was an omnipotent being and I saw the holocaust happen I would have acted, right on the spot before 1/2 million people with disabilities were not systematically slaughtered. There is no glory, why does an all powerful Deity need glory any way? But there is no Glory in such brutality, it is just awful and if said “deity” had the ability to stop it, sham on it, yes it, because one must be an it to see such horrid slaughter and do nothing. Trust me nothing was done.

    I still believe in the goodness of God, I still pray, and I still hope, but it is getting harder for me. And any deity that let those innocents die in the holocaust and other tragedies is unworthy of worship and I pray it kills me on the spot. I reject such a deity as it cant exist.

  85. Wow, here’s a church that needs prayer and it most people here are enjoying this pastors sin. My heart breaks for him, his family and his church. We are ALL the body of Christ. I don’t care who the pastor is or the denomination we should be praying for them regardless of what we think happened. It appears most have never been to CCFL or know how this church is run, let’s try not judging and praying for them today!

  86. Why do you exploit people and their problems? Why don’t you write a blog about all the times you screw up? Is this just a place for ‘Christians’ to throw stones at other ‘Christians’?

  87. WOW, I can surely see the devil at work here!! Gossiping, point the finger at others,,,,,look in the mirror everyone,,,have you not sinned. Yes, we all need to be accountable,,,God knows our hearts and he knows Pastor Bob and his situation, but for you people to run down Calvary Chapel is just as big a sin as his!!! Do not judge lest he be judged is written in the Bible,,yet we all do it. Everyone needs to ask for forgiveness as I’m sure Pastor Bob has, and PRAY for his family and ask God to keep Calvary Chapel a Christ loving Church. People, don’t let the devil get a hold on you,please!

  88. I’ve never once opined on a blog before, always hated these things. But being the hypocrite I am (appears I am in good company from reading everyone’s mini-sermon above), I am jumping in with both feet…Is God’s heart “he finally got what was coming to him!” -Doubt it. Is he grieving? -Most likely. Is the flavor of this thread aligned with Christ’s? Not sure, but I am sure of a few things. 1) I am not that smart 2) Hebrews 11 “Hall of Faith” guys/gals were for the most part all ridiculously flawed… and no mention was made of it. 3) God is in control, He wasn’t surprised, not a victim, and doesn’t need our help.

    Alex- I get it, you were abused by a jerk…Congrats! and Welcome to our not so exclusive club. So if my dad was a similar jerk and happened to be a doctor… not going to start a movement stating that the AMA should be disbanded because their system is corrupt and there are docs out there who think they are gods, cheating, stealing, and cutting off the wrong limbs. There are good docs, bad docs, etc. Even the bad ones did good once in a while.

    All I know is that If we are all accountable for every hour we spent in this life to God if/when we go to heaven… I would love to be able to say… “I tried to feed the poor, take care of the widows, and did my damnedest to make sure that every foster kid that didn’t even have a chance in Broward county was given one.” Yep, understand the flaws, money misspent etc.
    Checks and balances for sure, but if you choose to “die on a hill” choose one that saves another, not exposes wrongs (example, Noah’s kids). Can’t expose wrong doings to God, He’s aware. I am pretty sure that a few of the flawed pastors, esp. the one highlighted, have done far more than me in advancing God’s kingdom.

  89. Ruth: 1 Corinthians 5:12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.

    CC should leave the gays alone who are outside their church, there’s enough sin inside the church to judge and worry about like Paul the Apostle commands above. I have noticed that Calvary Chapel excels at public rebukes and public “judging” of every social ill outside their walls…yet “grace!” “don’t judge!” when it comes to their sinful Leadership.

    Paul the Apostle and the bible says you’ve got that backward. You may want to flip that around.

  90. Vince, it’s not about my personal abuse though that is a factor and made me the tough and resolved sob I am today.

    I decided to come forward publicly on another blog forum over 5 years ago now b/c it was a forum my wife found where a bunch of ex-Calvary Chapel Visalia non-member members were sharing their stories of hurt and disillusionment b/c of how bad they were treated by my CC pastor step-dad. Their stories broke my heart and made me angry. I came forward to validate them as they expressed that no one believed them and that they had been effectively tossed aside even though they had not done wrong and that it was their former pastor who had done wrong, etc etc.

    Knowing the real “pastor Bob” my step-dad (not Coy, Bob Grenier)…I believed these people and felt bad for them and call it God or my own Conscience, I was compelled to come forward and take a stand and speak out.

    I did and the forum exploded with participation. Ex-CCV’ers came out of the woodwork. More and more stories were shared and corroborated, bad stuff, wrong stuff. The child abuse in our home was the tip of the iceberg.

    Eventually I was invited to another blog, PhoenixPreacher, then I was basically told/encouraged to start my own blog. I did in the summer of 2010.

    More and more people came forward with stories of child abuse, spiritual abuse, financial corruption, all sorts of issues in Calvary Chapel that were not getting resolved at the local levels and CCOF and Roger Wing (at the time) were not doing a thing about any of this. Folks would spill their guts to CCOF and give them all their info and details…and then CCOF would often times use that info against those folks to protect the CC pastor and then would stone wall the former CC “sheep”. That’s wrong.

    Chuck Smith made a business decision to distance himself from individual franchise Calvary Chapels so he and CCCM would have less legal liability for abuses that go on in the 1500 plus CC system. That’s wrong.

    Blogging became the only outlet for people who have been chewed up and spit out by Calvary Chapel to go and air their beefs or be validated that they aren’t “of the devil” b/c they found themselves on the wrong side of a Moses CC pastor etc.

    Calvary Chapel like to present one side of their story…that all is well and the fruit is only good.

    Well, that’s not the truth. Calvary Chapel does some good things, it also does some bad things. My focus is to pressure the new Calvary Chapel Association (that replaced CCOF) to mandate Child Protection policies and Open/Transparent Finances into the by-laws of all CC franchisees. CC Association has this power b/c each and every “official” CC has to apply to become a CC, has to enter into an Affiliation agreement/contract and agree to some things and then only if approved by CC can they use the CCCM-owned and licensed Calvary Chapel name and Dove logo and claim they are an official Calvary Chapel franchise.

    Right now Calvary Chapel only requires franchisees to sign on to Chuck’s brand of Christianity and pledge loyalty to the Brand and be referred by other CCSP’s. That’s a low set of standards. This lax set of standards effectively makes Calvary Chapel the Wild West when it comes to Accountability. Some CC’s do it well, many don’t…and the general money-giving public has no idea if the CC they are walking into has good or bad accountability practices. That needs to change.

    It’s not a matter of “if” these CC pastors are men and sinners capable of all sorts of wrong and sin like the rest of us…it’s a matter of when they will go sideways and get caught. Accountability measures in the by-laws help a money-giving congregation or the “sheep” have some power in the relationship and accountability measures tend to keep good guys honest and help check against bad guys doing their worst with no recourse.

  91. …”tragedies is unworthy of worship and I pray it kills me on the spot.”

    Brian, are you still here or did you get zapped???

  92. Vince, I also decided to come forward publicly for my other brothers who suffered tremendous abuse at the hand of our CC pastor and step-dad (and dad for my brother Paul).

    Paul later came forward and on this blog asked me to issue a public statement where he says my step-dad, his biological dad, molested him. Chuck Smith was made aware of this while he was still alive and to date Calvary Chapel has done nothing other than to sit by and let my step-dad sue me…when in fact it is Bob Grenier’s son Paul who is the one who accuses him of the molestation and I believe my brother and took a stand to say, “this is wrong, do something about it” publicly.

    Calvary Chapel pastors are public figures in positions of trust and have great power. With that power and influence over people comes responsibility. Myself and others have stood in the accountability vacuum gap and done what we can in less powerful positions to try and push back and call attention to the abuses and the corruption with the goal of reforms and the goal of public education so the general public can have the other side of the story and make informed decisions as to whether or not to trust Calvary Chapel and whether or not to give their time and money and trust to them.

    Are there “good” Calvary Chapels out there? Yes. I know some good CC pastors who have good checks and balances in place and they generally seem to be trying to do the right thing. Are there bad ones? Yes, more than you know…but if you read the blog you’ll see that proven over and over unfortunately.

  93. Watching CCFL’s live feed now. You can tune in on Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale’s website.

  94. Wow, quite an intro…I don’t know if I’m at church or Disneyland.

  95. Aaron-yes! This blog is sadly a stone throwing contest
    Alex-why even bother watching their service? You seem to have more fun just judging them :(
    You know nothing about this church. Have you ever been?

  96. Jenny, Aaron…in your opinion, how should those with a beef go about addressing it if not on a blog after they’ve already tried the Matt. 18 process and had the door slammed in their face?

  97. What a testament to how little respect they actually have for the people that they would handle this the way they are. They STILL don’t get it. It’s a brilliant Public Relations move but my goodness are they ever SO FAKE.

  98. “Have you ever been?”

    Been to a zillion similar Calvary Chapel services, grew up in Calvary Chapel. I’m a CC pastor’s kid.

    I report on Calvary Chapel so that is my interest in this service. It will be interesting to see how CCFL handles this situation.

  99. Alex, please do all of us a favor and go seek psychological/professional treatment for the abuse you endured and take down this site. Don’t allow Satan to use you as a tool. You will too have your day before the throne of God and must answer to Him. That’s my 2 cents. Praying for Pastor Coy.

  100. Jenny, it is interesting to note that you guys are critical of blogging about beef’s…yet you are using this blog to publicly express a beef with me and the blog.

    If we’re not to use blogs and critique issues in the church…then why are you guys using this blog to publicly criticize and “judge” what I and others are doing on here?

    Kind of ironic, no?

  101. Hmm, Chet Lowe is the guy to give the first message post-Coy.

  102. What beef would you have? Is it your home church? Talking about him and the church on a blog designed for gossip is sad and a sin too. Him, his family and the church need pray not people passing more judgement. I hope you continue to watch online, it was a fantastic service. I pray this blog becomes more of a place of prayer for Gods churches and His people than a place to condemn others. I have said my peace. Blessing to all…
    Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
    2 Timothy 2:16

  103. Jenny, CC is my church. I couldn’t be more a product of Calvary Chapel.

    Plus, Daniel above gives quite a dissertation on why we’re “all members of the body of Christ” etc and all in “the church”

  104. Lots of prayers for you and this blog! I know God can and will heal all the hurt and pain you have been through. Attacking others sins won’t help tho. Prayers for Pastor Bob and his family.
    Blessing Alex

  105. This page is by no means anything but bitter and resentment. Read Romans 12 vs 1. You contradict this verse and so you lose all credibility. This website is designed to tear down not build up. You should be ashamed. I am not CC.

  106. A little advice to churches that have major moral crisis and potential conflict.

    Stand up and tell the people the truth. Do not put on a show. Do not back channel everything. Stand up and say what is wrong and who is involved. Then act redemptively for all parties. Trust the people to do the right thing. Do not ask them to trust you to hide the mess. Do not trust lawyers to manage the crisis. Do not trust image shapers to manage the crisis. Be humble, be honest, be real.

    Don’t build your church on images of people ‘keeping it real’ and then put on a charade to manage a crisis. Do the right thing. Protect people’s dignity but do not lie and obfuscate. When you speak openly and honestly rumors die. When you have even a hint of a show people make up the rest.

    We act least like followers of Jesus when someone sins. Oh well.

  107. Well it’s starting to sound like certain people here have certain issues. Child abuse, money spent wrongly, women abuse.
    Well it is unfortunate that people fail, but like I said, who here hasn’t failed. Some may say others sins are worst, they affect more. Well all of our sins affect God and others. Your kidding yourselves if you think you are less wrong. God calls us all sinners and short of righteousness. This site is not about helping or about solutions, it’s about slander and trying to make yourselves to be better than the rest. So classic of humans, we can’t see the 2×4 in our eyes as we try and pull the speck from others.
    I’m out.

  108. Alan, agreed. As if nothing has happened. Many sitting there have no idea what’s going down.

    Looks like Chet Lowe will be the new Moses.

    Getting info from a long time blog participant here who used to attend CCFL and has friends and family who still does that Chet is a good guy from what they know…so that’s a good thing.

    I don’t think it’s an accident that he’s giving the first sermon post-Coy era.

  109. Well, Chet’s got the looks and his style pretty much looks like a good Coy imitation, so it’s probably familiar for the folks there.

    I like hearing good things about him so far. Hopefully power and money and fame doesn’t corrupt him.

  110. About this statement and other similar sentiments – “You know Alex, instead of starting strife and hating on CC, why don’t you take a minute to pray for the pastors and their churches. ”

    Are you aware that for nearly two decades people like myself and others have been pressing hard from the outside for reforms at CCs. Not to say that they would have stopped this but they might have stopped it sooner. There’s typically no means of recourse in Calvary Chapels to report these things and deal with them.

    The fact is that a pastor didn’t have “an affair” or allegedly in this case “two or more affairs”. Any clergy – congregant relationships are by their nature not proportionate. These women are vulnerable and the pastor is a powerful person (in their views). These are all sexual harassment.

    I will always say that the real problem here isn’t sexual sin. The real problem is the untouchable pastors.

    The only remarkable part of this story is that they got Coy out.

  111. I like what he had to say about his daughter and his relationship with her. That’s a good sign. Much different than Brodersen, allegedly.

  112. Lowe sounds like a good dad. Love his stories about him and his kids.

  113. Alex- He has guts saying that many there don’t know Jesus and are going to hell…very bold move.

  114. “Usually the guys who come on here and say, essentially, DON’T JUDGE! haven’t read 1 Corinthians 5:12 or other similar verses.”

    Usually the guys who do that also lack any sense of irony detection in what they write…

  115. “You had used the term “member” and it caught my eye b/c Calvary Chapel senior pastor Jimmy Kempner when he got busted for prostitution solicitation got in a nasty church fight with the congregation over property, building, assets etc…and the people found out they were not “members” and had no rights. They gave the money, they paid for the stuff…but they were merely attenders and the audience. When push came to shove it was Kempner’s stuff as his handpicked board controlled the assets and he could fire board members and simply put new ones in their place.”

    So what we need to try to understand is WHY this situation was different. How did this get to the point where Coy was forced to leave? Why got involved to make this happen? In the end does it mean that someone basically has to blackmail “quit or we tell” someone like Coy?

    Cause I don’t assume that when confronted these guys just cop up and leave. They are in situations where they are unreachable for a reason.

  116. “No summer I actually have been taught accountability. This man will lose his position in the church, rightfully so, but as previously stated, we should be PRAYING for this man and family…if someone can bring him back to grace it will cover a MULTITUDE of sin, the scriptures say…”

    And how does the Scripture say that we are to do that? You suggest we pray for the man but:

    Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
    Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    Sounds like it’s not prayer, but confrontation that does that and CC pastors shield themselves from confrontation.

  117. Chet spanks his kids, OK , well hopefully he does it responsibly and legally and doesn’t use the bible as an excuse to treat his children worse than animals.

    There are boundaries to discipline.

    I wish these CC guys would be more clear as to what is and isn’t appropriate corporal punishment.

    First red flag from this guy.

  118. “For every pastor that has fallen, ill show you ten who have walked a straight line, who have adhered to the biblical standards of what it means to be a shepard of the Lords sheep”

    I do love these statements. It used to be that we heard it was one in a thousand Calvary Chapel pastors who fell. Then for a while it was one in a hundred. Now it is reported that one in eleven of them fell.

    Seems like CC is falling fast given the decline over the past couple of decades of the claims…

    And I just have to assume that we probably only know about one in 50 of the bad situations….

  119. Doug, I’m guessing CCFL’s by-laws must give the Board more power than Kempner’s Board did…or they brokered a deal and Coy will get a big chunk of money to voluntarily give up the throne and the assets etc.

    Will be interesting to find out those details…

  120. Thank you, Alan Hawkins!!!

    Alex, sure they all sound like a good guy, time will tell.

    To all the rest of the …..stop judging….you should just be praying for them…..this is satan’s blog…..we are all sinners(that’s my fav, and yes I know Alex says if a lot too), I think Satan likes this card the best and next… stop judging. Not buying it, sorry!!

    It’s so good to have a….. stop judging and…. we are all sinners, when you sin cause that’s your GET OUT OF JAIL pass!

  121. Chet Lowe:

    Love of God => “Get rid of sin-purify myself”

    When I understand this love I want to get rid of sin. On Marriage—.”I got to get back to my first love.”

    “He loves us so much He will not leave you where you’re at”

    Hebrews 12- a Father disciplines the son He loves.
    Discipline leads to righteousness
    God has a plan of love in mind-molds and shapes us so we can be like Him.

    “He will not allow them to be the person who They think they should be.
    He is going to ask you to change.”

    To Peter: “My love for you will change you, not your love for me”

    Church I’m asking you “Do you love Him”?

    It was the Love of God that changed Peter.

    “He who began a good work in you will complete it till the day of Christ”

    Love your neighbor as yourself–”who has hurt you that you can not forgive? Who has not lived up to your expectations that you are mad? Have any of you hurt Jesus? Look around you are surrounded by sinners and Jesus has enough love to forgive each one of you”.

  122. Olivia, agreed. Chet’s as much a sinner as anyone and he’ll err. Hopefully CCFL and their Board is aware of this more than ever now and have good Accountability measures in place for when the rock stars fall.

  123. “Calvary Chapel family meeting for those who call Calvary Chapel their home church set for 4:30″ EST

    Sounds like a closed meeting.

    Looks like that’s when they’ll drop the Coy Bomb.

  124. Doug, that is good and really rare…but more CC’s are coming around to it. We’ve gotta keep pushing that issue.

    There is no reason all CC’s shouldn’t have open and transparent finances. They are collecting money in the “name of Jesus” and should show the public how much they collected and where it goes. Anyone opposed to that is suspect IMO.

  125. Note that the financials above are the auditor reports, NOT the typical church’s financial statements which list the stuff people really want to see like what the compensation package for the pastor is.

  126. Ah, they’re being a little bit transparent. Hmm, not good. Why are they afraid to show what they pay the pastor etc?

    I’ve been told Coy is wealthy and makes (the estimate given me) $500,000 a year. Not sure if that includes book sales or not. But, when they are opaque and hide the facts, we’re left guessing…which is probably what they want so they can call it “gossip!” when they could simply post the facts and not hide them so people know where their money is going.

  127. Alex what would you value a business that brings in 125 Million dollars a year? I’d call that a billion dollar business (8 years revenue). And it’s clearly a significant asset, allegedly in the Kingdom of God. To put an asset like that in serious jeopardy is a serious acts in and of itself…

    Pretty clearly, it WAS dumb of the people to entrusted those assets into the hands that they put them to have done so.

  128. Don’t touch the power, the money, or the ladies. This should bring great Godly fear to all. This is not a game people. I am also a CC sheep who has never told my story of great abuse at the hands of a CC pastor. Chuck is not here to cover up the sin anymore. Let the healing begin in “Jesus Name.” Will the tomb stone read ” we started in the spirit, and finished in the flesh.” I love both Bob and Diane, but my heart goes out to Diane. The consequences are huge when a pastor falls into public sin. Huge ! Thanks CCFL for doing the right thing and that Chuck Smith isn’t here to cover it up. Boys the pile is huge, you don’t want me to tell my story. Clean up pastors !

  129. I want to know what it cost them to have google bury their critics so far down the list on returns of searches?

    Seems like we need a new search engine which isn’t so easily influenced by $$$.

  130. “Don’t touch the power, the money, or the ladies.”…or the kids.

  131. I (and Alex I am sure) are asking anyone at CCFTL who cares about transparency to record the Sheeple meeting later today and get it to either of us. I will put it up if Alex won’t/can’t.

    They should be called to give a public accounting for what they have done with the assets they were given. We want to know the truth.

  132. If this was a non-church business there would have to be plans in place to handle situations like this. It’s called Risk Management and mitigation. Did anyone ever stop to ask the question of what CCFTL would do in the case that something like this happens?

    Or do they do the usual CC method of “we trust the guy at the top”?

    I think we know the answer.

    Calvary Church of Santa Ana wasn’t a Calvary CHAPEL when Hocking did his thing there. The reason they could get Hocking out was that there was a board in place and the board kept hearing reports that Hocking was traveling with a woman and he and her were not acting like coworkers when they traveled. The elders there stuck to it and in spite of numerous denials of Hocking were able to get to the bottom of it.

    Hocking’s story hit the LA Times and OC Register at the time. If CC FTL thinks they are going to avoid a bunch of bad press I can’t imagine how a closed meeting will help their case.

  133. ““Don’t touch the power, the money, or the ladies.”…or the kids.”

    The point being that the kids don’t even show up on the CC list.

  134. Passing by said, “Boys the pile is huge,”

    I know. It really is. I have a file that has so much bad stuff it would make the avg. CC attender probably more disillusioned than I’ve been at times.

    We’ve only covered about 10% of the stuff on this blog.

    It’s why better Accountability measures and shared power where the pastor doesn’t hold all the cards is an important step for CC.

  135. Doug agreed. Good call to action.

    Transparency is a good check and balance.

    I hope someone will go to the meeting and video or record it and send it to either Doug or myself.

    Doug has a very good resource that has documented much of Calvary Chapel’s stuff over the years. He is the original CC watchdog. Doug, then Michael Newnham. I’m third gen.

    Doug’s Calvary Chapel wiki is linked on the blogroll of this blog.

  136. Boy…you guys better find a better use of your time. God is the ultimate judge (even YOUR judge). Stop spending so much time and energy tearing down Calvary Chapel and focus on your kids, so one day they won’t be producing evil blogs about their dad.

    Pray and let God do the work. Don’t underestimate His love and mercy. Trust me, FORGIVE your abuser, seek professional help and move on.

  137. I like Chet’s emphasis on the love of Jesus. I think that is a good position for the evangelical church to hang their hat on. Die on that hill.

    That love should be reflected in not judging those outside the church, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians…which CC excels at. That love should be reflected in helping their leaders and folks in the church to confront and deal with sin.

    CC should spend much less time publicly rebuking homosexuals etc and much more time dealing with their own sin. They excel at the one and don’t do the other which is the exact opposite of what the bible says in part of its narrative.

  138. Corina, I don’t worry about my kids doing a blog about me b/c I treat them so well and love them and respect them and I don’t hurt them.

    If they were ever compelled to do one, I’d do everything in my power to make it right with them and I would be heart-broken and would do whatever it took to make the situation better…instead of threatening them and suing them and trying to ruin them and their family (which is the Calvary Chapel way).

  139. Worst article ever written. You are an idiot. Coy has seen the power of God at work in his ministry more than the pseudo-wisdom you attempt to offer. He made choices that will devastate the community there, but it doesn’t mean that his ministry was unfruitful. It’s easy to be the big advice giver when a big name falls.

  140. Alex, DON’T BLAME CALVARY CHAPEL FOR YOUR PARENTS’ lack of parenting skills. I think by attacking an institution that has brought many people to Christ and done so much good for the community is wrong and I know God is watching what you guys are doing by trying to tear it down. I’m sure God will judge and punish your abuser but that doesn’t make it right for you to play “God”.
    Maybe this blog is a form of therapy for you to overcome your abuse and help you recover, but by attacking pastors, who are humans and make mistakes like the rest of us is not the way to do it. There are very good psychologists/ counselors out there that can help you. Don’t do it on your own by creating blogs that can cause dissertion and gossip. This is what the enemy wants. Do you want to be Satan’s tool?

  141. I don’t think people who said and say this site is just ‘bitterness’ or ‘gossip’, etc. get it or haven’t read this site’s articles enough. Think about it please- for example, should the Catholic church have just kept hiding the facts about child abuse by priests, etc. and kept moving the priests from parish to parish to keep a ‘holy’ appearance where there is no accountability for what they did? Is it gossip or bitterness to stop these problems by calling them out by whatever means it takes? NO – it’s healthy! Did it stop people from being Catholic? No – it made their church stronger to cleanse itself – it seemed to me that Chuck did not want things exposed – I would guess to keep up the same thing – a ‘holy’ image and you who are into CC I would think would desire the cleansing. This site exists because of how Chuck dealt with the problems in CC. Next time your CC pastor puts down Catholics as a false religion, etc. and puts down other denominations as lukewarm,etc, tell your pastor not to ‘judge’ and quit being ‘bitter’! Makes sense, doesn’t it?

  142. And that so you know…my kid was physically and mentally abused at a Calvary chapel and we are now suffering the results of that, but that doesn’t give me the right to create blogs to destroy it. I’m focusing on his recovery by channelling my energy on him and ways to treat him and help him overcome this trauma. I wish you would do the same for yourself..

  143. Got news that CCFL is holding a Staff only meeting at 3:00PM EST to precede the church 4:30PM EST meeting.

  144. Corina – this blog’s purpose is about CC abuse. Getting rid of the toxins cleanses the body.

  145. For the sheeple coming here just say how wrong this blog is I would only say to you….WAKE UP! First of all CC nor any church is not God, Jesus or a place for you to go and feel good about yourself and buy coffee and pastries. Church is a means for you to gather and a place for you to demonstrate your faith thru service (should you choose). If we didn’t have church would you still be a Christian? How on earth would we know Jesus without church? Really?

    I attend one of the largest churches in So Cal. When I catch myself looking around I see most people on their Phones or checking their watches. We have an inordinate amount of people who head for the doors early so they can get their kids and beat the traffic. It’s sad! Yet here we are….all feeling good about ourselves and putting in our penance on Sunday so we can go out to eat afterward. Give me a break! Church in America is a BUSINESS now! If you deny that your either blind or refuse to see whats really going on.

    I grew up in CC movement starting in the late 70′s. Although I have never personally met Alex I can vouch for what the mission of this blog is for! I am an eyewitness. I’m sure most of you happy go lucky churchgoers would wish that people like me didn’t exist. It would make your life easier. But the fact remains what may have started as a work of the Lord has now turned into a corruptible practice and God will choose what He does with it. This Blog and others like it will not bring CC down….God will if and when He chooses!

    Throwing stones here will not stop God renewing and purging his leadership. You are arrogant to think so. What has happened with Bob is unfortunate. I’ve seen it many times before since my youth so I am not shocked. If you are then you suffer from Man Worship. Put your eyes on Christ…not man. Every single one of us is fallible and leadership is called to a higher accountability. To expose the situations is not the fault of the one doing the exposing, that falls on the one caught in sin. What’s worse is when it’s covered up quietly and the Body is not allowed to heal wondering what happened.

    Direct your anger correctly here. Many people have been turned off from Christ due to CC and its model of leadership. I see no mention of them by you. Do you cast them off as unbelievers when your leaders took inappropriate and selfish actions towards them? Their blood will be on their hands…U seem to care not for them…only for defending your church. When it comes to the Word of God u sink into the shadows and are nowhere to be found! Hypocrite! U defend sinful men who commit sinful acts in the name of the one true God and are so blind you don’t even know it!

    I am still a Christian…even after the things I have witnessed and suffered. I teach my family about God bcuz that’s my responsibility…not the Church! If churches are made illegal one day I will still have faith. Many of you will go into hiding….Read Matthew Ch 23 then tell me if your leadership at Your church is involved in any of the activities. If you find it to be…then flee!

    My apologies Alex if my rant is inappropriate. I have followed your blog for several years and I couldn’t stay silent anymore.

  146. Corina, I’ve actually been to Christian counseling and have friends who are psychologists and others who are master’s degreed mental health professionals (one comments on this blog regularly, she’s a stud) and the general consensus I’ve gathered from all of them is that the blogging and addressing the issues and turning the abuse into a Cause to fight against abuse in the church is a “good” use of the negativity that was done to me. It is a good place to channel those passions.

    I am 42 now and first really faced the abuse head-on at 32 so I’ve come a long long way. I am not hung up on my personal abuse, it happened, I survived it, life goes on.

    I am more concerned about the abuse of others and the abuse of power in the church and critiquing the church and seeking to expose abuses and seeking to provide some measure of public accountability to Pastors and churches who do wrong is not “tearing down the church” no more so than when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in Matthew 23 or when Paul the Apostle laid into the Judaizers in Galatians that he wished they go the whole way and cut off their own testicles etc.

  147. I’m floored you all care so much about this. You aren’t attendees, you have no idea how this church is ran and what it’s like. You judge off your view of your church or a past experince with a CC. All CC aren’t them same. The amount of respect you show for This church as they walk through a trial is heart breaking. Find something else to do with your time-love His people, spend time with your family…and stop trying to stir up more strife :(

  148. Corina, I am very sorry you and your family suffered abuse at CC (if true) and I hope you took steps to protect your kids and I hope you will consider holding that particular Calvary Chapel accountable so it’s harder for them to hurt more kids and more people.

    In my opinion, it is wrong to know that abuse happens and to just “leave it to the Lord” and not do anything to try and prevent it or curtail it in the future.

    If you know abuse has happened at a CC then it is your responsibility IMO to speak up and do something to help future kids and people, at least warn others.

  149. Touchdown, good word! Thanks for weighing in.

  150. Calvary Chapel has a flawed view of Leadership.

    All the CC folks on here are quick to point out that the CC leaders are sinners and flawed.

    Yes, they are.

    OK, then don’t tempt them by giving them too much power and authority. Share the power. Chuck Smith didn’t like sharing power with the congregation which is why he started his own brand of doing church, his own denomination in essence, that consolidated the Power into the role of the Senior Pastor.

    Bad, dangerous.

    You know these guys are sinners and men and not Jesus, just like the rest of us…yet you allow your Church System to put them on a pedestal and give them all the Power at a particular CC franchise by design…it’s a CC distinctive. This is bad for the pastor, bad for the general congregation. It’s too much temptation, too much power, causes too much pride, etc.

    That is Calvary Chapel’s biggest failure, an arrogant view of the Pastor and his ability to be Jesus…and it’s made worse when the congregants know this and still support a flawed leadership model that is a corrupting force among the Pastors in Calvary Chapel.

  151. When idols are taken away, like CC idols, insecurity sets in, and people feel threatened – but in reality it says we are in Gods hands and he is able to keep us, not some person or ‘church’.

  152. This is sad. To have jumped to the opportunity to writing an article before it is even announced to his own congregation seems a lot more like a gossip column. That you would so quickly want to expose someones sin before they humbly came before and exposed it themselves. And what is even worse is the sarcasm and delight you and some of the others seem to have in this pastor’s failures.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    John 8:6-11
    9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11“No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

    You can judge the denomination and what they might or might not believe in but only God can judge the heart. You have no idea what steps he is taking to renew his relationship with the Lord. I am not a member of Calvary Chapel but I am at a church close by. I can tell you this that no one down here is rejoicing in these circumstances no matter what denomination we are from. We have all banded together as brothers and sisters in Christ and have on our knees praying for this man and his family who have positively effected so many people for the Lord despite his failures. God uses us daily even though we all struggle with different sins. Thousands have come to know Christ and only God can judge if those salvations are true. It is a sad day when believers find comfort in a another believers or church’s failure. I ask you to please spend some time with the Lord on your knees prayerfully considering this website.

  153. Touchdown, yes WORD!

    Sad that so many who attend cc and other like minded institutions have such a perverted religion.

    In time where will these people go to be deprogramed from their miss guided doctrines?

    I was overwhelmed with God’s timing, the message at church today, titled ….The Danger of Spiritual Privilege.

    From the spring board of Paul in I Cor 9: 27

    But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

    WOW< so God could stamp on some pastor preaching to people about a saving knowledge and doing so called "much for Jesus", and Jesus could stamp him with…… disqualified

    Went on to the meat of his sermon I Cor 10: 1-13

    Because of all these bad things the people did and God not being pleased destroyed and were overthrown in the wilderness some 23,000 in one day and out of more than a million estimate, two made it into the promise land. THIS WAS A WARNING for us.

    and when he got to the verse that some cc folks would look to us/me and quote… 10:12

    let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall…..it was not intended necessarily to be said to me/us/Alex when we say there is sin here or there but to, in our case today be said for a Bob Coy.

    Does anyone believe as Doug pointed out that Bob Coy when he last posted something about being excited about beach baptism in May not think the Spirit was saying to him…Bob, take heed you will fall?

    Wish I was a better communicator like Alex and so many.

    I know in time cc and so many other churches will be brought to repentance, God will not be mocked.

  154. Corina Stated:

    “Alex, DON’T BLAME CALVARY CHAPEL FOR YOUR PARENTS’ lack of parenting skills. I think by attacking an institution that has brought many people to Christ and done so much good for the community is wrong and I know God is watching what you guys are doing by trying to tear it down. I’m sure God will judge and punish your abuser but that doesn’t make it right for you to play “God”.

    Maybe this blog is a form of therapy for you to overcome your abuse and help you recover, but by attacking pastors, who are humans and make mistakes like the rest of us is not the way to do it. There are very good psychologists/ counselors out there that can help you. Don’t do it on your own by creating blogs that can cause dissertion and gossip. This is what the enemy wants. Do you want to be Satan’s tool?”

    Obviously, this person has not read very much on this blog site. If they had, they would know that there were many men in leadership roles that witnessed the type of abuses being perpetrated and reported by not just Alex, but by others as well. God has stated volumes on our remaining silent when it comes to oppression, adultery, exploiting and the perpetration of abusing others. In one word, it is an ADBOMINATION to Him. And we, as His people are to hate those things that He hates and not participate in them by enabling them, directly or indirectly by remaining silent or shaming and then revictimizing those whom have been wronged. But rather we are to stand by them and support them in exposing these things and calling to an account those who would perpetrate them, particularly those who are in leadership roles be it in a church in Florida, Orange County or Internationally. We are to get our affairs in order and we are to be held to an account one to another. Not to whitewashed our sins and pretend it so far less damaging and destruction that it really is to our spirits, our souls, and the very lives that have been granted to us to love, honor, and protect.

    I don’t think people who maintain the “leave it to the Lord” mentality are the chief enablers that keep in place an environment that is perfect for abuse and corruption to be part and parcel of the ministry, as well as, among its attendees. Without repentance, there is no forgiveness and without forgiveness, there can be no working of the Holy Spirit within its midst. Only more reason to wallow in the mire and to be misled into believing that denial is the best defense when truth is spoken by those who really do care about those who are in danger and being abused—be it the least of these to those who sit in the seat of Moses.

    No one is attacking an institution, but many are speaking forth the truth of what has and is being perpetrated by those who call themselves pastors and leaders of what is referred to as representing that which is mandated by God to shepherd His flock, be it on the east or west coast or in another country. As a Christian we are not to permit such behavior to go on particularly within that leadership. As a Christian we are to judge these things, as 1 Corinthians 5-6 has instructed along with other verses like Matthew, chapter 18, keeping yet other verses in mind that admonishes us to make sure our hearts are pure, not being vindictive, but always desiring to bring about repentance, healing and reconciliation. To ignore this and to blast into those who have sought to do this, is not what the Bible teaches. To say that any person who does speak the truth is “playing God,” because they are doing what God’s teaches, that is exposing evil and not participating in it by passively remaining silent or to shame one who is doing the exposing, admonishing, or exhortation to warn and to stop such corruption and abuses, is evil. To silent those who have are being harmed is precisely what Satan would like to happen. Not so, with God. He has told us to speak out against oppression, injustices, abuses, corruption. Paul tells us that we are to exercise church discipline, not water it down or give a false message about sin, grace, and salvation. Over and over again, we are warned to get the leaven out of our lives and out of where we congregate.

    Many people have come to the cross and been born again, but it was not Calvary Chapel, as “an institute” that accomplished this. It was the Holy Spirit that began that good work and will complete it within each person, with or without Calvary Chapel. Do not make the mistake of worshipping the creation of “an institute,” rather than the Creator. Has God used various people and circumstances within Calvary Chapel to bring people to Him? Yes, He has, just as He has used everything under the sun to get the attention of each respective person to consider what He has done and is able to do when and if one repents (turns away from their sin, not continue them). This includes God using evil or as some would like us to be more palatable, people who practice sin, as well. However, never, ever does this justify us to behave as though it is wrong to expose evil, corruption, and those things that Paul tells us should not be named among us (meaning, should not be practiced).

    To state that Calvary Chapel is some sort of an “institute” in the manner expressed is nothing less than attempting to establish the idea that it is untouchable and that it should be treated as though it is the highest authority, except when it comes to holding those who run “it” to an account. This sort of thinking is nothing more than that which is historically known as being a demagogue. How far this idea falls from what God has told us that the church can and has been witnessed by those who have or considered themselves to be a part of what have broken there heart. We, on this blog stand among many who have sought to turn this about, not with hate in our heart, but because we are compelled to do so due to the love in our heart towards God and His people. Our people.

    “ by attacking pastors, who are humans and make mistakes like the rest of us is not the way to do it”

    As mentioned in a prior comment, these wrong doings are not “mistakes,” but deliberate acts of treachery, violence, and numerous forms of abuse done to others, then cover up or over by putting on a façade as being one who had a calling and a false sense of entitlement to “shepherd” the flock while preaching the Word, then counting on people like you to minimized and to dare to shame those who speaks and bring forth the good news that he has been found out and one more church will need to come to the realization that something is very wrong when even a pastor is practicing the leaven that has spread throughout the entire congregation while hands are being lifted up praising His name, yet having to making the amends and repenting of that which should not be named among us.

    But you go ahead and ignore this and then come on here to this blog calling us out and telling us to just leave it to the Lord, for he will deal with the abuser or wrong doer. Just how does God do this—-He uses the very voices that have cried out to try the leadership and to give them an opportunity to do what ought never to have happened in the first place. He uses the cries of those victimized to shed light into the dark souls who have turned a deaf ear due to their misplaced loyalties and desire for power and control. He uses those who voices have prayed a million prayers that the abuse and corruption would be stopped to raise the banner to all who would hear within the church to stop protecting an “institution” and start protecting those who are and have been abused, particularly by those who call themselves a “man of God,” “a leader,” or a “pastor.”

    And make no mistake, God’s church—will stand with or without Calvary Chapel repenting from all the harm it has done. Perhaps, it is you who needs to repent, particularly when you group these types of sins as being “make mistakes like the rest of us is not the way to do it.”

    Perhaps this is why you attend Calvary Chapel—that is to enable you to continue practicing such things and not being held to an account, any more than those who are in the pulpit or are leaders (or owners) of this type of “institute” called church, but does not represent the true Kingdom, but rather a kingdom of its making which such things are left unaddressed and permitted to run rampant within it.

    It does not need to be this way—–but nothing will change unless those who perpetrates such things and those who enables it repents and make right those things that enabled them in the first place.

  155. Re: Jenny @150 said,

    “I’m floored you all care so much about this. You aren’t attendees, you have no idea how this church is ran and what it’s like. You judge off your view of your church or a past experince with a CC. All CC aren’t them same.”

    There have been regular posters on here that not only attended Coy’s church, they were involved in ministry there. I met one of them, personally. The testimony given just backed up the consistent patterns we’ve seen throughout Calvary Chapels, with only a few minor exceptions that we can verify.

    I invested 8 years at one CC, then 4 years at another, and finally 5 or 6 years at the last. In each, all was find until one got really involved, or one had an issue that needed to be resolved. Either way, the issues of CC’s became evident.

  156. I attended with Chuck Smith and Lonnie Frisbie back at the Orange County Fair grounds, California. I was not a believer until 1974 where I attended Calvary Chapel on Maui, Hawaii and then began at Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale in 1985. It has been many years and there have been many blessings.

    I stopped attending Calvary Chapel a couple years ago because a very good friend did not have her teaching contract re-newed due to Diane Coy’s involvement….it was a very unfair incident and my admiration of Bob Coy and Diane Coy was very much reduced.

    They are fallible just like me. Once Bob Coy is gone I will come back to Calvary Chapel again….I have loved the Lord for 40 years now….and keep my eyes on JESUS as pastors come and go….a lesson to be learned!

  157. correction:

    “I don’t think people who maintain the “leave it to the Lord” mentality KNOW THAT THEY are the chief enablers that keep in place an environment that is perfect for abuse . . .

  158. Touchdown 67

    Whew!! Well stated and yes, that was truely meat to all that would hear.

  159. Grateful shared “I invested 8 years at one CC, then 4 years at another, and finally 5 or 6 years at the last. In each, all was find until one got really involved, or one had an issue that needed to be resolved. Either way, the issues of CC’s became evident.”

    That’s a total of 18 years.

    For me, it was 33.5 years and more than a few CC’s given my personal, academic, and professional responsibilities, scheduling, and geographical locations. Oh, and yes part of that was up close and personal in the thick of ministry.

  160. For those of you who’ve been reading here for a long time, you’ve already heard all the stories; but for the sake of the newcomers, I’d like to state -again- my tired story. I call it “tired” because so many have the same story at CC’s all over. If you read in the archives, or simply keep reading here, you eventually hear the consistencies in the stories, no matter where their CC is located.

    As in all CC’s the pastor has what is called a “Moses Model” leadership organization. (Doug, you should post your diagram that illustrates this.) He is above the board and the elders (who have no power at all;) which means that no one can fire him, that he can’t fire first. This means there is no meaningful accountability. Only “yes men” can survive.

    My last pastor was eventually caught with 4 women, not paying the churches’ taxes, not paying the churches’ rent ($440K in debt,) being absent from the church for months all the while lying about why he was gone, and $200K+++ was missing due to the pastor’s spending habits. And that’s just for starters. The point is not what he did, as much as it is about the structure of CC’s lacks needed accountability.

    1. There is no built in accountability to keep these guys in check in CC’s.
    2. There is no way to remove a CC pastor when he becomes disqualified for the ministry according to Scripture, which is necessary to protect the people.
    3. Normally, CC’s do not have open finances. (I don’t personally know of any, though I’m told there are some 12 who have done something to improve their accountability and transparency, just not sure what.)

    My pastor was basically blackmailed to get him out of the church, since there was no other route available as per the by-laws. He could have gone to jail for not paying the taxes, at a minimum. If the pastor was willing to leave the church (meaning sign over the assets to another CC pastor, since the assets are the pastors in CC’s,) they were willing not to turn him into the authorities.

    Because they gave him cheap grace, without his showing true repentance, they ended up merely enabling him to return to town less than a year later to start a new church. At first, no one can look him up and see that he wasn’t repentant, unless they visited Calvary Chapel Abuse or Phoenix Preacher. (At least now there is a local news article that serves as a warning.) This site has served as a warning to the innocent people just looking for a church, who would have no way of knowing better.

    The consistency of a lack of accountability, lack of open finances, lack of any say on the part of the congregation who has no legal rights without membership, and a lack of chid protections measures in place, is profoundly disturbing.

    When I hear from the good folks in Australia, France; Hungary, Britain, Virginia, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, One of the Dakotas, All over Colorado, All over California, etc… and they tell us the same stories over and over and over again, we know there is a systemic problem. We care. We have cried out for reforms in numerous ways to no avail. We then warn others, which is our spiritual duty according to Mt. 18.

  161. Super sad. The enemy never rests. We are all subjected to him. Psalm 91 Pastor Bob.

  162. Re: Tim @77 said,

    “So it sounds like you have had a specific experience that might not be in every CC and might be in multiple churches in your own area, yet you have decided to make this a CC thing.”

    It is a “CC thing.” That is precisely why there has been such and outcry from so many people for so many years. The consistencies of the issues are clear.

  163. Olivia, you are doing just fine in what and how you share.

    Grateful, thank you for bringing forward that which those who are new have not read to enable them to know there is so much more to this blog than what some have chosen to write off to protect that which they have yet not become aware.

  164. It’s a privilege, Linda, to help people get the big picture. I know it really helped me when I was first trying to figure it out.

    There will always be leaders who sin, because we are all fallible; which is precisely why everyone needs accountability, especially leaders. Fallible men cannot be in total control of decisions, total control of the money, and total control of the narrative/image.

  165. I would NOT recommend 9Marks ideas on church membership and authority. People become members of a church and if you have a tyrannical pastor and try to leave, they sometimes do not release you. 9March churches will contact previous church to make sure you “left properly.” This has caused huge problems for people. If they want to go to church, sometimes they are forced to remain at tyrannical church because of the 9Marks rules. Not good. Church membership is not Biblical. It is a man made rule.

    Doug: If you have specific links which are now dead, have you checked the Wayback Machine?

  166. I am still here.

  167. I’m sure we will all grieve for the cost and rejoice for the restoration, IF Bob Coy (and any other fallen leader) truly repents, brings it all out into the light to deal with it appropriately, makes restitution, and steps out of ministry to make things right with others.

    The problem we warn people about is how many times the “repentance” has been forced by being caught, not because they were sincerely repentant; and how many times the “repentance” was half truths (in other words — lies.)

    My own pastor admitted his “spending got out of control” and that he had “an emotional affair.” He didn’t admit all the other serious sins. He thought he could cop to a fraction and slither away with cheap grace. Some of the people let him. Now he’s causing even more damage because he was not dealt with properly to begin with. I dare say that if he had gone to jail, he just might be truly repentant by now.

  168. I agree with Julie Anne. I just think that there needs to be a reasonable membership that gives the people a legal right to hold the leader(s) accountable for their financial actions. It also gives them a legal right to see the financial reports.

  169. Hi Brian!

  170. Corina, I’ve actually been to Christian counseling and have friends who are psychologists and others who are master’s degreed mental health professionals (one comments on this blog regularly, she’s a stud) and the general consensus I’ve gathered from all of them is that the blogging and addressing the issues and turning the abuse into a Cause to fight against abuse in the church is a “good” use of the negativity that was done to me. It is a good place to channel those passions.

    I have asked and heard the same thing from mental health professionals, Alex. You’re fine. Keep going, bro. You are exposing what should have been exposed years ago. Truth can set people free. It’s great to be free after suffering abuse and this is a great place for people to start that process of sifting through the rubble of abuse. I appreciate what you have done here even as you have had your own faith challenges (go figure). You’re only 42? Young pup :) hugs to you, friend!

  171. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

    It is God-ordained work to defend and protect God’s flock. That is what is being done here. Might consider reading more in your Bible on what God things about spiritual wolves. Try Ezekiel 34 and Jude.

  172. Alex, please do all of us a favor and go seek psychological/professional treatment for the abuse you endured and take down this site. Don’t allow Satan to use you as a tool. You will too have your day before the throne of God and must answer to Him. That’s my 2 cents. Praying for Pastor Coy.

    Well, if I’m Jezzie Belle, what is the male version, Alex? Better go get your t-shirt made. Oh, I think I can find the guy who designed mine. Let me know, k?

  173. Thank you, Grateful, for the retelling of your story.

  174. It was stated here in the past that the reason why CC’s have no membership is because if they did they would have to disclose finances.

    The telling factor in this story will be just how long this was going on and how long he has been deceiving his wife- his family-himself, and his congregation. Then we know if it is habitual sin which would really speak volumes.

    When we take our eyes off Jesus and onto man- this is what happens.
    Why would any one man be in 11 churches at a time? Isn’t that narcissistic Linda or is it just good financial strategy?

  175. When we went through HELL with what happened to our family at a cc, cccm and Brian Brodersen (anyone thinking he is a good man, like I tried to say before, buyer beware) having a place to heal a little and know that not all christians are worse than heathens would have been sooooo good. God had another plan but we didn’t know that our experience was not unique, if NOTHING else this site is worth it for that alone!

    Thanks, Linda you encourage me.

  176. “Doug: If you have specific links which are now dead, have you checked the Wayback Machine?”

    It’s a Wiki. Anyone that wants to be an author is welcome to request access and fix away…

  177. I know that Calvary Chapel will survive this situation; as for Pastor Bob, Diane and kids need our prayers . I hope that their closest friends will be there for them both in this time of uglyness. Lets remember the only perfect church is in heaven. The church will dissapoint you, your brother and friends will dissapoint you, even your pastor. Treat them like you would like to be treated if it was your sin.

  178. I just heard this news. I have drawn inspiration from Pastor Bob over the 20 years I have been going to the church. My family moved away and we still watch him on line. He is a very special man, as is Pastor Fidel and so many of the other wonderful men G-d has raised up at Calvary Chapel. I recently met Pastor Randy while in Israel. He was our bus captain. Very special. I have learned so much over the years from Pastor Bob, and have always admired him for his special qualities and ability to make the scriptures come alive w/rationale, humor, G-d’s wisdom, and his overall delivery.

    Calvary does so many wonderful things for the community and it is a wonderful example of how we as a church should minister to the needs of others. They have over 100 ministries. This is outstanding. So many lives have been transformed by The Lord through His Holy Spirit and Calvary Chapel has been a home for so many people. Like I said I just got back from Israel. There was no religiosity, no fake-ness, just 200 people who love The Lord and wanted to learn more about Him. I count myself to be blessed to have been a part of this…

    Regarding Pastor Bob…man I love this guy and I don’t even know him personally. I am sorry to hear he messed up and made some of the decisions he did. It reminds me of King David who also made some really bad mistakes…but then there was repentance and Psalms 51…and G-d is always is in the business of picking us up after we fall and reconciling us back to him.

    Pastor Bob, if you read this then I want you to know G-d is never too far away to hear your heartfelt prayer of repentance in Jesus name. He loves you. We love you. My whole family will be praying for you and your family.

    Sean

  179. Hannah, not enough information to say that having 11 churches going at one time is being narcissistic. I will venture this, however:

    Not placing other pastors directly in place where people would like to hear the word of God rather than using a video is a bit more about saying to me that this pastors believes he is the only one that he wants others to listen to. Either that or the fact that enlarging upon his congregation in this manner enables him to do less work, cover more territory while coming up with the verbiage or rationale to justify doing this. After all, how many people are “ministered” to via radio and television? If it worked for TBN—but then I guess that depends on what you are defining that is being “worked.” Certainly not the Pastor, that is not having to truely being available and in the role of a servant to personally be present with a person who needs some up close and personal attention.

    I can also venture this one: Any person acting out an addiction takes on the traits of a Narcissist, and some when giving up the addiction, these traits dissappear. However, it has also been said among those who treat sexual addiction or serial (concurrent or one after another) adulterers, that all sex addicts also are narcissist personality disordered, thus it is most difficult to treat and to overcome. If nothing else due to the inappropriate grace that others would give to this person when in fact the more helpful thing would be to hold that person to the fire in establishing accountability and getting a grip on the harm they have done, simply because they believed that “they can.” Grandiosity and false entitlements benched on their perspective of those they preyed upon or left under the bus, so to speak.

    As for this myth that all men do lust sexually—it is just this. But it does sell alot of indulgences. No they don’t and those that do are usually those who have some other addictive behavior going on or have bought into a pack a lies about what constitutes being a man or a woman and how having power and control determines who they are and what their worth may be.

  180. Hope they are smart enough to secure counselors who are licensed clinicians and qualified to treat. Not this “Noethetic” version some CC’s using.

    For those who may also be struggling with this issue, please find your way to Doug Weiss videos on issues that would fall within the that which is referred to as sexual addiction. Actually it’s not about sex at all, but rather is attachment issues.

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmLKg2IviWqr2ENIYuJ-KGg

  181. Hope they are smart enough to secure counselors who are licensed clinicians and qualified to treat. Not this “Noethetic” version some CC’s are using.

    For those who may also be struggling with this issue, please find your way to Doug Weiss videos on issues that would fall within the that which is referred to as sexual addiction. Actually it’s not about sex at all, but rather is attachment issues.

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmLKg2IviWqr2ENIYuJ-KGg

  182. You want to know what bugs me about this stuff? All the comments at the bottom of the articles was all this “we support you, pray for you etc.” You know when I got the boot there was not one prayer, one see you and I became part of the invisible people. I mean I wish Mr. Coy and his family the very best, but if history serves as an guild I bet there are many things untold. This is their chosen profession and most of them make a good living, which is fine. But this stuff is going on all the time.

  183. Brian- You are right. It seems really odd and creepy.

  184. Me, too, Brian. When I was creatively removed from the church, there was no prayer, support, or well wishes; all I got was slander from the pastor and shunning. Even after the pastor was finally caught, about a year and a half after I sounded the alarm, the other leaders and the people did not know to reach out to all who were thrown out of the church, nor did they know how to repent for the role they played in passing on the slander just because the pastor did it.

    It would simply be a sad sin story if my story were the only one, but it’s not. I’ve been hearing of similar stories for many years now. Tons of cheap grace for leaders who haven’t shown full repentance, and none for the attenders (whether guilty or innocent.)

  185. Where are the fruits of the spirit being displayed here? All I see is anger and strife. You seem happy to see someone’s sin and see people hurt because it fits your agenda. I choose love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

  186. This is another example of why we should worship God and not pastors. There were so many that seemed to worship at the altar of Bob Coy and not at the altar of Jesus Christ. Man will continue to sin, and ultimately fail those who worship them. We shouldn’t worship movie stars or athletes; nor should we worhip pastors, for they are all equally fallable.

    Calvary has done some good things, and will continue to do good things; however, I believe in complete transparency of all church business. It seems to me that the Church operates under a veil of secrecy, particularly with their finances. Churches in no way should belong to any one person, but rather to the body of Christ. When the pastor claims ownershiph of the church, then teaching and preaching ceases being the primary mission.

    I would encourage each of you that is affected by this news, to re-evaluate the purpose of your church attendance. Is it to make business connections? Is it to meet people? Is it because you are entertained by the music? If the primary purpose is something other than worship…..I believe that we should use this opportunity to assess our motivations.
    There are a lot of good churches in the area, that have been crushed by the “mega-church” and the flocking towards the celebrity preacher.
    I would encourage you to take another look at these churches, and their teachings…..and compare the soundness of scripture taught from the pulpit. Seek a church that is open and allows input from their “members” into the finances of the church and the ways their funds will be directed.

    First Baptist Ft. Lauderdale
    First Baptist of Pompano
    Christ Church United Methodist
    United Methodist of Coral Springs
    etc….are just a few churches worth you consideration.

  187. Yes, for sure Brian and Hannah, I read some and than could not any longer!!!!
    And what about the women and I am sure there are several, how do they feel about the easy pass…. we love you Bob Coy… but by the grace of God ,etc etc.. What if he burnt those women and they are just beginning to work thru it.

    Even his wife, how must she take all this, easy forgive pass stuff, would she be so happy, unless she has know all along.

    Another thing, some of the blow back from people on the blog, upset that Bob Coy’s messages have been removed, oh how mean! Of course the King David is about to make a resurgence. You know King David the pastor that never repented!

  188. Well, the official press release says “resigned” vs. “fired”….my sources said “resigned” and I stuck with that.

  189. To clarify, I made a comment about Linda being a “stud” up the thread…in my 80′s and 90′s era (high school and college) and being in sports…when you called someone, anyone, a “stud” it meant that they are really good at what they do.

    My apologies if anyone took the term “stud” as something other than that. I meant it as a compliment in the jargon I grew up with.

  190. Jezzie B, if I had a blog hit for all the times I’ve been called “crazy”…i’d have over 7 million blog hits.

    …Oh wait! ;-)

  191. Re: Daniel L. @191 said,

    “This is another example of why we should worship God and not pastors.’

    True!

  192. Can it be possible in this sick and depraved time in which we live in that an adulterous pastor could actually become more popular, worshiped and adored after his sin is exposed?

    My God, what low have we fallen to?

  193. The clarion call for accountability for leaders who have sin natures (meaning all of them,) is specifically for the Calvary Chapel leaders on this blog. But I think we’d agree that we want it for all leaders in the Body of Christ.

    As I’ve been looking at this issue for a number of years now, I’ve noticed some different responses in different Christian camps that reveal what kind of teaching the people received. For example: In the Mark Driscoll/Mars Hill response to a leader’s failure we see many of the people having a working knowledge of Scripture about how the church is called to judge those within the camp, and especially leaders (Jesus saved His harshest criticisms for the Pharisees, the spiritual leaders of His day.) The Mars Hill crowd, in general, grasps that time to work out full repentance is necessary, and that without real evidence full repentance, transparency, restitution, and recovery time, then there is no deal. I don’t see that understanding amongst the general crowd at Calvary Chapels.

    I imagine that how to spot unrepentant sin and what to do about that in leaders has not been a clear teaching in CC circles. At least at Mars Hill they started out with that clear teaching.

  194. hey Alex while on the topic of transparency what exactly was the scandal you were fleeing from California? Enquiring minds want to know.

  195. When my CC pastor made a partial confession, that didn’t even scratch the surface of what he’d done, in other words he was lying, people stood up and asked if he could be restored immediately, within a month, or within a year. Sadly, they did not grasp what damage that would do to the unrepentant pastor, nor what it would do to those who would follow him when he waltzed back into the ministry a year later.

    Some of them followed him to his next church start-up down the road. They are happy to have their ears tickled, but their cheap grace did not help this pastor make a full repentance. The damage continues. The blindness is only darker. The pastor is being enabled once again by the lemmings.

  196. A couple people contacted me and are not happy that I left out Uganda and Las Vegas on my list of CC’s who I know about, personally, that do not have accountability or open finances. (I don’t know about the child protections so I can’t comment on that.)

    I’ll be happy to add any other places I’ve forgotten about if anyone wants to remind me, or add in your own places. The point is that CC has a culture that has been spread in a consistent manner, and that culture includes lack of accountability.

  197. anon, I didn’t flee anything from Central Cali other than an abusive step-father and abusive church that gave him all the power and we fled the bad air which was affecting our health and the gang problem which was affecting our feeling of security with a young child and we fled a terribly run state from a Libertarian perspective.

    If you are referring to “moral failings” I am guilty of the same sins as a long list of Calvary Chapel pastors and I know I am not qualified to be a pastor and would never put myself on a pedestal and say “Look at me! I’m special and anointed and sinless enough for all of you to give me your Jesus money and all the power at this Calvary Chapel franchise!” I know who I am and what I’m capable of and a pulpit with a bunch of people fawning over me and autonomous control of a powerful church etc etc would be a recipe for disaster.

    Men need checks and balances and power corrupts in both church and politics.

    Big difference is, I wasn’t caught, I copped to my sins out of “faith” and trusting in God and coming under conviction. I had gotten away with my moral transgression for many years. When I felt compelled to call out CC many years ago now, I manned up and did the right thing and wasn’t caught.

    Coy knows this well now. P0rn is toxic and like heroin and will destroy you if you want to be married or in a position as a pastor. You have to change your mind about it and treat it like it’s poison. I did and I’ve been clean for many years now. Doesn’t make me “saved” or “better” than anyone…makes me less likely to lose my marriage and kids which I value more than the sexual high.

  198. I sat under Pastor Bob’s leadership for about ten years. During those ten years, my life was dramatically changed. During that time, I saw literally thousands of people come to know Jesus as a result of Coy’s ministry. I saw heard him say DOZENS of times that he was no better than you and me; that he was a rotten, broken human being in the light of God’s holiness. So the claims herein that Pastor Bob thought he was “above” others is ludicrous.

    I also served in the church and know some of the things Pastor Bob endured. He suffered MANY death threats, had someone plot to blow up his home/family…and another guy basically put him through a well – all because of the good work he was doing. He constantly asked the congregation to pray for the leadership because he knew they were a huge target of the enemy. After all, anyone used that effectively in leading people to Christ is an enemy of Satan.

    I never experienced a church as healthy before I attended Calvary Ft Lauderdale nor have I found another since.

    If Pastor Bob committed some sort of indiscretion, that’s a shame. But, as the writer of this post said, we’re all human.

    I really don’t appreciate the apparent agenda against Calvary Chapel, though. As one person mentioned, it does seem like the author of this post is finding some sort of perverse pleasure in this and potentially has some daddy issues.

    I think the best thing we can do is (1) pray for Pastor Bob, (2) pray for his family and (3) pray for the church. I would probably be dead today had I not found my way through those doors. I imagine there’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 to 15,000 other individuals who would say the same thing.

    God be with you, Pastor Bob, his family and those currently attending the church. I also pray that the author of this blog finds resolution to the issues he is struggling with in relation to the Calvary Chapel movement. Quite frankly, it’s the most biblically sound church I’ve ever attended. And I’ve been to several in locations I’ve lived since leaving South Florida.

    I pray AGAINST the enemy and pray that God will limit the amount of damage that will occur from this tragic situation.

  199. anon, I know you’re in Visalia, your IP address shows it. You can try and poison the well by pointing out that I’m a sinner too…no problem, in fact I’m with you. While I think some sins are much worse than others like abusing children and molesting children…even the prisoners find those sins worse…sins that your Calvary Chapel pastor are accused of by his son Paul Grenier who I believe…and I know he’s a physical child abuser b/c I lived it…my sins are damnable too and hope that God is truly love and truly mercy to all of humankind b/c even the supposedly “saved” can be some of the most evil bastards you’ll ever run across. My step-dad Calvary Chapel pastor is one such guy, and many CC pastors who I had the displeasure of learning about their dark sins can be real evil bastards as well.

  200. It is the fact that even “saved” men can do such evil things that Calvary Chapel needs to foster a System of Accountability and not trust the Senior Pastor with Moses Model power.

    Share the power, provide checks and balances.

    It’s not a matter of “if” a CC pastor will go off the rails…it’s when.

    Right now Calvary Chapelites say “Calvary Chapel pastors aren’t perfect! They aren’t Jesus!”

    I agree.

    Then stop giving them all the Power at a CC Franchise and share the power and provide Checks and Balances, publish the finances and have Child Protection policies and be accountable.

    Why would you tempt a man you know is “not perfect! he’s a sinner like me!” with so much Power?

    It’s a recipe for disaster as evidenced many times over in Government and in Church.

  201. As I read over some of the comments I can see in my mind why Jesus came before the crowd who was around the woman who committed adultery. Jesus rebuked those pointing the finger.Before you throw your stone today…ask yourself if you still would if Jesus was looking you face to face. I’m standing by as a friend praying for Bob Coy and his family.

  202. Grateful, this is why you have gravitas, that was just what I noticed, you explain so well. It is so telling of what they have been taught.

    Alex, I got that, how gentleman like for you to clarify, not like you at all, LOL…just kidding.

  203. And, you don’t “fall” into sexual sin…you choose to do it. That’s a cop-out: “the pastor FELL into sin” as if he was strolling along and ambushed. Bullspit.

    Men give into their god-given desire for women and they start down a path that is made easy by the internet and our sexed up Culture.

    Like a drug, you have to use more of it to get that high you got the first time. It’s a vicious cycle.

    I feel for Coy in that sense, but I feel much more for his wife and kids and I hope he is truly repentant and that he’s truly facing the full weight of what he’s done to them. I hope his wife is able to forgive him, not for “ministry’s” sake and not if Coy’s just doing this b/c he got caught and hopes to revive a career…I hope God grants her forgiveness for him if he is truly repentant and then I hope the family can heal.

  204. “Alex, I got that, how gentleman like for you to clarify, not like you at all, LOL”

    LOL :-)

  205. I moved away from Southern California 18 years ago and always longed to find a church like my beloved Calcary Chapel where I was saved in 1977 at CCCM. I was truly blessed to learn the Bible from Pastor Chuck and pastors from other local CC’s. As years went by I was stuck going to southern Baptist churches in the south that we’re full of hatred and gossip and plain hateful people pretending to care about me. It made me sick the the Biblical teaching was good even if those who had grown up in church somehow didn’t walk in the light. I came across the scandal of Skip heitzig a few years back and was heart broken. He used to teach at Calvary Chapel Cypress before he went to New Mexico. Then thanks to the internet I found out about so many other scandals and abuse. It truly saddens me. I guess I was one that liked the Moses model and felt safe in the church while others were not safe. But my hope is in Jesus where it will always be. Peace.

  206. Funny how they are all so good to go on forgiving and moving past, and how would they respond if it was him instead of a her, and how would they respond if she was a young mother with young kids and it ruined many innocent lives, and how would they respond if……..those could really test their belief on just a man tempted like we all are.

    And I, sorry Im being a bugger, sure hope these same people didn’t loudly NOT excuse say a Bill Clinton, who does NOT have the higher responsibility

  207. Olivia, I agree. The guys are fully responsible. Guys make a conscious decision to go down that path.

    But, they can make a conscious decision to go another direction as well.

  208. Daniel L., you’re not shilling for the Methodist church, are you?

    Calvary Chapel is a great movement. Flawed in some way like any man-made institution, but FAR more effective than the mainstream denominations. This is my opinion but one that is shared by MANY who left behind the dead branches of mainstream denominations.

    All these misguided comments about Calvary Chapel are unfair and, quite frankly, smack of jealousy.

    I grew up in s South Florida Baptist church; a well-respected church. The “political” structure of the church was not based on biblical examples. Where in the bible does it state that important decisions should be made by democratic vote? Nowhere that I’m aware. My brother is a former pastor for the Methodist church. The Methodists are no more biblical in their leadership structure. Once again, Calvary sought scripture for reference in virtually every aspect of ministry.

    So one men fell to temptation.It’s tragic for many reasons. But I think the animosity shown by some on this thread is pretty disgusting.

    The mainstream denominations are getting whipped because they they no longer do ministry well or, at the very least, a new breed of church came along that does it much better. Period. For all intents and purposes, the Baptist movement is dead (in my opinion).

    I will go to any church that teaches the Word in an effective manner regardless what the name on the door reads. And I will shy away from a church that appears to be rotting from within. While most church feed with a baby spoon, every Calvary I’ve ever been to uses a shovel. And that’s what i want/need – as much meat to chew on as possible. Not some fluffy, meaningless drivel suitable for those who are still teething. Of course, there’s a need for content that can be understood by the new in Christ, but the more mature members need to be fed as well. The mainstream denominations just aren’t cutting it anymore.

    I can assure you there was no “tickling of ears” going on at Calvary Ft. Lauderdale.

    Calvary should not be denigrated. It should be studied and replicated. Expositional teaching destroys the “series” based teachings of most modern churches. I want to learn the FULL COUNSEL of the bible (even the real difficult or boring parts)….not some hand-picked topic that never really seems to hit home at a deep level.

    Anyway, I’m done. I’m just disturbed by some of the jabs at the Calvary movement. Do you really know what Calvary is all about? Have you ever sat under their leadership? I’ve never seen such a dramatic transformation in the lives of the congregation as I did at Calvary. I saw people who were ON FIRE for the Lord. People who were HUNGRY for Jesus. THAT is a beautiful thing and something I truly long for here in Nashville. But, here, it’s pretty much overflowing with lukewarm Christians who have very little impact on the world around them.

    Show me a denomination that hasn’t lost a leader to sin and I’ll show you a cult.

  209. Sarah Pulliam Bailey of Religion News Service has a new article: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/04/06/pastor-one-nations-largest-megachurches-resigns-moral-failure/

    I saw her tweet about 30 minutes ago and it’s got 877 Twitter shares 200 FB shares already.

  210. Who made the Alex character the authority, I would suggest that if you are a real Christian don’t cast pearl before swine. What a major waste of time reading a mans opinion.

    So let Alex cast the first stone. Take heed

  211. Gilbert, like the Calvary Chapel pastor, I am “called” and “specially anointed by God!” and I got some sort of blessing from Pope Chuck Smith…therefore I have “authority”.

    Err…no I don’t, nor do they, LOL.

    Actually, like you said, I’m one dude with an opinion. Don’t follow me, don’t read my stuff, no problem.

    “Take heed!” and don’t let the blog door hit on the rear-end on the way out. I don’t do this to cultivate a following and I don’t do it for money and fame. I do it out of conviction.

  212. David, do back up your statements …..who, where and do be specific

    All these misguided comments about Calvary Chapel are unfair and, quite frankly, smack of jealousy.

    and…

    But I think the animosity shown by some on this thread is pretty disgusting.

  213. I am glad there is a lot of traffic b/c it helps get the word out on the other issues we are pushing for on here (and have been for years now).

  214. What happened, and to what degree? It’s shocking how quickly everything he was on, is pulled down as if it never existed. EVERYTHING IS GONE. He’s off radio stations like KWVE, CSN, local Florida stations, his online teachings are all gone… it’s as if he never existed at all.

    How bad was it, exactly? Was it so bad, that he would be erased from existence that quickly?

  215. In June of 2012, a shriveled, agonized heart cried out to The Lord for an answer and for Him to restore life to my dead, dried up bones. He gave me Isaiah 58:10-12 as a promise and call on my life.

    “if you pour yourself out for the hungry
    and satisfy the desire of the afflicted,
    then shall your light rise in the darkness
    and your gloom be as the noonday.
    And the Lord will guide you continually
    and satisfy your desire in scorched places
    and make your bones strong;
    and you shall be like a watered garden,
    like a spring of water,
    whose waters do not fail.
    And your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt;
    you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; you shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to dwell in.”
    Isaiah 58:10-12 -ESV

    You see, I grew up in a CC located in Wisconsin-my family was heavily involved. In 2007 the church split. Almost five churches were born from that split.

    I spent five years bitter and torn to shreds. I hated Christianity. I hated the political arena of a church. I stayed away. Encompassed by anger and bitterness, I looked for who Jesus really is-He is not our human (men) pastors. He is not OUR ideology. He is not a concept nor is He a lingo learned. He IS! And He lives and breaths through His Holy Spirit in us when men surrender. And STAY surrendered.

    My bitterness is gone. God has restored my soul! I follow Jesus, not men. I please the Father. Not men.

    While we can stack up our evidence as individual cases for or against CC leadership; God uses CC still. After all, I have learned a valuable lesson: HIS ways are different.

  216. Alex, I have read many of these comments but there are too many to keep reading for now.

    First, I will say that I have been attending Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale for many years as a church. It is a great church with great teachings for all ages. Pastor Bob is not the only Pastor for the church and no he’s not the only one to make a mistake. For all those “against” Pastor Bob, I dare to say are you any better than he? Yes, there are a lot of people who placed him too high, but he never placed himself that high. If you ever met him as a person, you would know that he’s just a regular guy trying to follow God’s lead.

    Secondly, I also was a student at Calvary Christian Academy and am proud to say that after nine years, I am one of the students to have been able to graduate knowing that I am a child of God. CCA is a great school and has many teachers who teach God’s word. There are missions trips, weekly chapel times, camps and other things in place to take care of God’s children and to grow them as followers of God. Children are very safe there and well taken care of.

    Lastly, I will say to all you people who are condemning him: yes, he messed up and needs to repent, but please don’t fail to see the good that has come from his ministry! He is a great man and that’s exactly what he’ll always be, A MAN. Please just pray for his restoration and the restoration of the church. Also, especially pray for his son Christian as he is suppose to graduate from High School next month. This is not what should have happened so please don’t help the devil accomplish his goal of tearing down the church of God.

  217. Not that all Calvary Chapels are the same…..

    But where can I find all the controversies or list of pastors that have sinned in disqualifying ways before? Is there a list? A wikipedia page?

  218. Who are you, to write all this? The son of a Calvary pastor with no name?
    Identify yourself for any sense of credibility.

  219. “What a major waste of time reading a mans opinion.”

    May I suggest if you feel that way you no longer avail yourself of the fruits of those opinions, such as computers, cars, planes, trains, doctors, TV, cell phones, clean drinking water out of the tap, tires, gears, springs, hinges, food of most kinds, weather reports, vaccines, antibiotics, Xrays, dentists, all forms of anesthesia, microwaves, radio………………. so on. Thank you and have a nice day.

    Actually continue to use them just trying to make a point.

    ps not one single one of those concepts, ideas, products can be found anywhere whatsoever in the bible, what ever canon you are using. There is a lot about demons causing sickness, and mental illness is proof of possession and other such nonsense.

  220. Unfortunately, unrepentant sin disqualifies and naturally condemns. Forgiveness from the Father comes through a broken and contrite heart. So, pray for the souls and hearts of the Coy family. That there may be reconciliation and restoration.

    And CAPTAIN CAVEMAN, while it’s true not all Calvary Chapel’s are the same, they do carry distinctive characteristics that foster such leaders. I actually am attending CCBCi, in indianapolis. And Horizon (CC affiliate) is a healthy, sending church that bends every dollar and asset to reach people in the community, in the surrounding regions, and beyond. However, there a shift in the pendulum swing…

  221. Nuala Moran says:
    April 6, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    “As I read over some of the comments I can see in my mind why Jesus came before the crowd who was around the woman who committed adultery. Jesus rebuked those pointing the finger.Before you throw your stone today…ask yourself if you still would if Jesus was looking you face to face. I’m standing by as a friend praying for Bob Coy and his family.”

    This cannot be compared with those who are in the pulpit and leadership roles in the church. God has told us that their calling demands they be an example of what it is to live and walk in obedience to God’s Word. What more they are to be above approach. When they are not, we are to remove them as a church body and do whatever we can to encourage them to get right with the Lord while making the amends necessary to reconcile the wrong done to those they have harmed.

    By the way the first ministry that any pastor has is towards his wife and family. Until he is able to earn the trust back from them, he has no standing or right to resume a role in any ministry whatsoever.

    For the woman at the well, Jesus told her to go and sin no more. My question to all would be to those who are caught up in the sexual lust arena, making every excuse to continue in it, then find fault with those who have been severely harmed and devastated by it. Oh, you don’t think it’s hurting anyone—that’s part of what it does to you. That is, it blinds you and causes you to gather with others who are also partaking in it, thus enabling you to defend, protect, and feed into and off of it even more. Like Alex suggested, it is like an heroin addiction. For even if another would catch you in the very act of shooting up, you would tell the person he or she was crazy and that “Jesus told the pharisees that were trying to trap him that “he that is without sin should throw the first stone.”

    Yet scriptures is clear when it states that we sin not because Satan trapped us, but because of our own hearts and because we love sin more than we love God and those who are found in the household of the Lord. Even our children and our spouses.

    The woman caught in adultery was repentent and she stopped doing what she was doing. Not so with those who would deny and wallow in their own self serving grandiose entitlements. So when you or anyone else take issue with wanting the best for those in the body of Christ and the best in our home and the best for our children, then your misplaced loyalties will be misplaced using scripture inappropriately in order to water down and make anemic that which is committed among those who will not call you to account when they should simply because they do not want to be called to an account themselves——which has nothing whatsoever to do with God, His Word, and His Church at all. But rather that which tickle your ears while you continue wallowing in the mire.

    To ignore these things and to make excuse for these things is nothing short of what the enemy would have every pastor and Christian to do.

    Those under Mr. Coy’s parsonage, if you will do need a time to process through a time of putting the pieces together. My greatest concern for them is wanting to move along without seriously taking a look at how these occurred in the first place. Are our churches safe? And what needs to be put in place to stop the abuses and corruptions that have become evident across the board in general that feeds and caters to this type of mindset in the first place. How is scripture being taught to enable these things to be whitewashed, minimized, and glossed over. For those who are fearful of being found out because they really don’t want to get rid of the sin in their lives—all I can say is this. Don’t be deceived, God is not mocked.

  222. “Lastly, I will say to all you people who are condemning him:”

    No one has condemned Mr. Coy. Just because we are saying that what we have shared, it does not equivocate into condemnation. Hopefully, what we are saying or what we have and are sharing with convict those who have enable or participated in such things indirectly by remaining silent or directly by using silence to keep this all under cover while being as guilty as sin themselves.

    There is a toxic shame and guilt as there is a healthy godly guilt and shame. The first leads to hopelessness and a no win, to hell you go mentality. The second leads to repentance, healing, and reconciliation. If you read long enough on this blog you would understand that there is a difference. One is of the Lord and the other is of that which would be used to ignore what must be addressed in CC’s leadership and the way church is being done. You choose who you will follow and obey.

    As for me and my house, I choose the Lord and will speak the truth when given the opportunity even it means that I too would be cast out by a man who claims to be in the Lord yet is up to his neck in the very sins that Mr. Coy chose to indulge his heart, body, mind, and soul.

    And no, I do not lust. Have I ever—-yes, but not since I understand I had not a right to do so or to cause anyone to stumble or to have their heart broken due to my own stupid ideas that I once entertained due that which I learned before becoming a Christian. I am as faithful to my marital vows as one can be—not even a hint.

  223. I am a former CC wife. Former is the key word! My ex husband was in ministry in South Florida. He was heavily influenced by CCCM Pastors who viewed me as too worldly to be his wife. They planted many lies in his head about me that had no merit but that he very much took to heart. What I did not know was two years before we had met, my ex husband had confessed to the head Pastor his sexual issues including visiting strip clubs and buying pornography. His punishment was a month off and then right back into Ministry. Not once during marriage counseling did either one of them disclose this very important information to me. What took place after our wedding was nothing short of a living hell. I had no clue the seriousness of his sexual addiction. He was still being encouraged to be in full time ministry. Yet I was the one being blamed for any problems he had. We were later transferred to a Central Florida CC where he was on staff. The Head Pastor walked around with body guards! If you attempted to approach him, you were immediately swarmed by them. It was rather ridiculous considering the size of the CC. This is where I became very disillusioned with CC. When you attend church as a member, it is far different than attending as a spouse of a staff member. You here them talk about people, you hear them being petty and cheap, spending money else where rather than helping others. It’s where you see church being ran as a business rather than as a place to help and minister to others. My ex husbands sexual issues continued to run rampet, so much so he was caught at church having viewed several pornographic material. Once again, nothing was done. I was scolded told I needed to be more sexual for my husband everything would be ok! This same year I discovered his former Pastor was forced to resign from his position due to sexual harassment of another staff members wife. What happened after was sickening. He was called back to CCCM by the founder to serve as Associate Pastor. He was eventually fired from CC but not until the damage was done.

    My ex was a fraud. He preached dating wasn’t of God. He preached not to be alone with any girl or to hold hands. Not kissing before marriage. Yet behind close doors he was having disgusting sexual conversations with woman online and had an active membership to a pornography store in town. Yes everyone makes mistakes and everyone sins. But that is why God holds Pastors and teachers to a higher standard than anyone else. If you can’t live it yourself, you have no business preaching it to anyone else. It’s spiritually damaging to believe in someone, trust someone, especially with your faith and to find out they are living a double life.

    It took me years to get over the emotional brainwashing and abuse that took place while I was with him. Total character association placing all his faults on me because the church needed him. For a long time I believed I was at fault. I wasn’t good enough but God finally opened my eyes to the lies I was believing. He never intended for me to be hurt and used the way this man treated me. My ex chose it, not God. He will one day at judgement answer to God for what he put me through. My ex would not get help. Would not stop lying or cheating. He didn’t want me to leave, but he also did not plan to repent and fix what he was doing. After much prayer, I took the the out the Lord gave me and divorced him. I am finally healed from the damage both physically, emotionally and spiritually inflicted by these CC pastors.

    I attended CCFTL for many years. Even before it was the mega church it is today. I loved Pastor Bob! Still do. I am very saddened to hear he himself was living a double standard. I ache for his wife and kids. It feels like a nuclear bomb is dropped on you when you discover your Pastor, husband and spiritual leader is betraying you. That he cared more about his needs than keeping the sacred vows he made to you before God. CCFTL’s staff did the right thing by asking for his resignation. When you marry a Pastor you would believe you’d be safe from dealing with any of this. After all, no one knows the Bible inside and out like they do, especially CC pastor’s who pride themselves on commentary and chapter by chapter vs by vs to keep it all in context. Unfortunately it’s not the case at all.

  224. No, no. Don’t misunderstand. That statement was made to any readers or those thinking to comment in condemnation towards Calvary and/or its Pastors, staff, and followers.

    Just a reminder:
    Romans 3:23
    (No, I’m not going to quote it. If you can look this up, You can take time to look up the verse as well.)

  225. No one asked for his resignation. The staff found out this weekend as well. I’m sorry for your history with CC and I pray that your ex-husband will find his way soon. Don’t stop being a light to him. You might be the light he needs.

  226. I stand corrected and apologize. He was indeed fired. Truly saddening.

  227. I know why this website exists. And that’s because I, too, suffered spiritual abuse at the hands of a CC pastor. We haven’t publicly called him to account because we know what will happen: shoot the messenger. We were very involved for nearly 20 years at a CC and thought we had relationships that were valuable. It’ s been a year and a half since we left, and we still suffer shock and disbelief at the abuse we suffered because we tried to call leadership to account.
    This blog has been a great comfort to me. I see my same story over and over again: dare to call leadership to account and you will be shown the door, your relationships will be destroyed, and your name will be dragged through the mud.

  228. Lianne:

    Your story is such a sad one. And it’s frightening to think that if this was going on in your church with your ex-husband, who knows how many other churches this kind of thing is going on? The hypocritical lifestyle of “do as I say,” but then the unheard whispers “not as I do” eventually get exposed and leave a trail of destruction, not only to the family members involved, but to friends, distant relatives, and the congregation.

    What these sinning pastors fail to understand is that some in their congregation may be faltering in their faith and be looking to these leaders for guidance. When these congregants finally realize their leader was a fraud, it can pull the rug out from beneath them spiritually and leave them in tremendous spiritual confusion. The worse-case scenario is someone who gets so confused by this spiritual chaos and a lifestyle of hypocrisy, that they abandon their faith. I think the millstone verse in the Bible comes into play here.

    How are you doing now, Lianne? Has your ex-husband’s sins affected your faith?

    Thank you so much for sharing your story. You’ve gone through a lot of pain, but it sounds like you’ve decided to move on. It’s important that your story is heard. There are lessons to be learned from it.

  229. Brokenhearted:

    Isn’t it something when you can connect with these stories? It’s not like you want to hear about stories of spiritual abuse, but to be able to know that you’re not the only one and to get validated is powerful. That, too, was the beginning of my recovery process from spiritual abuse – when I connected with stories of abuse online. I finally put the pieces of the confusing puzzle together, gained strength and eventually told my story online.

    Calling leaders to account, or questioning/criticizing is one of the most common ways people find themselves as spiritually abused. Sometimes you will have no clue that your pastor will respond this way until you ask the question or share the concern. After that happens, the relationship may change drastically. If you have a high-controlling pastor, you may now be the enemy or divisive one because you dared to challenge his authority. The rest of your time at the church may become a living hell because of this. Sometimes it’s very difficult to leave.

    I’m glad to hear you are no longer at this place. It does take time to recover. Here are some resources related to abuse in church (all kinds of abuse) you may find helpful: http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/spiritual-abuse-helps/

  230. Lianne,

    Thank you for sharing your testimony regarding the double life your husband led while being in a leadership role within CC. I believe every word you have shared as I have lived it myself. I remain legally and biblically bound to my husband and marital vows. Not to say that I don’t have grounds for divorce. I just choose not to as in my case it would only enable him to then become the pastor while continuing in the double lifestyle that he leads.

    It does shatter your life and the trust you once held towards those who claim to be called by God to lead and to shepherd his people. However, the knowing that you had nothing to do with the choices they made and are making helps to put a life and home back together that was destroyed due to the narcissistic mentality that holds them in bondage. In my case, I was threatned on several occasions while being discredited at the same and then called crazy. All while he was taking mission trips and preparing to be a CC pastor. In the meantime I have been homeless since 2008 and to this day, I remain in hiding.

    People really don’t understand the breadth, the depth, or the nature of sexual addiction and narcissism. They particularly don’t understand how abuse is perpetrated and how it is kept hidden by those in the church. Yet, it is now 1 out of every 3 women in the church being abused and left under the bus, if and when we dare to speak up. Even more for those who are children.

    And all we hear is, “how dare we bring into the light the truth of what is taking place in Calvary Chape and those who have sought and obtain or are seeking to be in leadership roles.

  231. JA I tried to stomach that talk between Tony and your old “pastor” but I went into gag reflex and had to stop. Truly it is ironic to the extreme, and these guys do it for a living and get paid to do this. The thing that gets me the most is the pios posturing barf. I admit to being a tool, emotional, and prideful. I dont get them though, they seem to not be aware of this blind spot in their world view. I mean I am sure they are fine family people and I dont know their heart, like they seem to be able to judge with their magic soul reading decoder rings. They accuse you of being “unbiblical” yet they seem to think that farse cash cow left behind put out by Mr. jenkins and Mr. lahaye are actual reality. Those guys made bank on that scheme, I mean they were worse than the twilight books and that is hard to achieve, and people say we are arrogant go figure.

  232. JA I tried to stomach that talk between Tony and your old “pastor” but I went into gag reflex and had to stop.

    Yea, that was something, wasn’t it? Just when you think you’ve heard it all . . . .

  233. Are these pastors victims themselves, is it a faulty church system where they don’t have accountability and too much power and wealth that ultimately leads them to this, are there other big name pastors in the same situation, and they just haven’t been caught yet?

  234. No, they are not victims. They chose to align themselves with Calvary Chapel due to the environment that would cater to their particular bent or craving for power, control, attention, and adoration.

    Bob Coy and men like him made their choices accordingly. No one twisted their arm. They used what had for ungodly purposes and hidden agendas. Simple. People are blinded by the works done using God’s name thinking they should be given more leeway and grace than what in reality they were giving to others.

  235. I have often felt like a “victim” but in my heart I have thought evil of my brothers and sisters and that troubles me. Do you want to hear something that is rather pathetic, I want to be part of the family, that cant happen and I get that, Im one of those broken vessels, if I learned one thing while in the industry it is that. But some are victims of the theology peddled to them, others are in it for the cash, glory, etc. I dont know. I am sorry for his family, which are often blamed in these situations. I am sorry for the kids who had to put up with Ahole fathers that smacked them around, I am sorry for the congregants that believed and are wounded. I am sorry for alot of things. I think it is because we are a screwed up species and we tailor dogmas to suit our needs. The only response is grace and hope.


  236. Alex says:
    April 6, 2014 at 7:49 pm
    Olivia, I agree. The guys are fully responsible. Guys make a conscious decision to go down that path.

    But, they can make a conscious decision to go another direction as well.”

    Words ever so truely spoken, Alex.

    Enough of this the devil made me do it or she enticed me or power corrupts or we all sin or that all sin is alike or that it does not matter, Jesus paid for whatever I do because I now believe. Pure rubbish and very similar to that which can be found within those who may have given up the drink, but still maintains the same helpless mindset that they don’t have a choice in what they do—–it’s just the way they are.

    Woe unto them who puts a stumbling block before another. Woe unto them who perverts God’s word to justify their wrong doings. Woe unto them who will oppress those who are abused by silencing them with threats to their life, liberty, and faith in the Lord. Woe who protects those who do these things for to do so is committing that which they have done.

    If you really love one another than have the guts to call one another to an account and stop tap dancing around the truth for fear that you too might be persecuted and thrown under the bus. Sexuality immorality, child abuse, and idol worship is what brought Israel into bondage and into exile. So too, our churches and its leaders need to pay heed and love one another enough to say, “enough is enough, let us repent and cleanse our hearts of this bearing the fruits of repentance and making rights the wrongs being done.

    As for me I still wait at the altar for my husband to show up. Doubt that he will, but then again nothing is impossible with God and even more so if he is ever held to an account and gets the treatment that is available that would set him free from that which has caused Bob Coy and so many others to perpetrate such things.

    Oh, by the way marital counseling is not appropriate for those who abuse their marriage, spouse, and children. Remember, it is the person who victimized, betrayed, and abused that needs treatment, not the person that did nothing but spoke the truth and refused to cosigned that which is not of the Lord.

  237. Brian, totally get what you are saying. There is another response that can be added to the grace and hope, however. That is, true godly sorrow and repentance. Repentance that seeks to make things right and to walk in love towards one another, carefully considering and measuring out how our thoughts, beliefs, values have an impact on the choices we make and the the impact that it has upon that which passes to one generation to the next.

  238. Thanks Linda I am still trying the whole repenting of being born human thing, it is a profound thing to learn that one is created from before day one hating God. Never quite got that one but that is just me. Personally I dont hate God, but fully understand why God hates me, I learned that at some churches I attended, others not so bad. What we should pass on to the next generation is knowledge and a better world. That is just my opinion. Hope you have a nice evening / morning.

  239. I think I will be taking some time off of the two blogs, and facebook as far as religion is concerned. It is just not really tiring no ones fault but mine, but I miss so much beauty in the world and the wonder of creation when I get in this mood. I hope you all have a nice week, I plan on being gone at least that long. Take care. Alex keep up the good fight, your a better man that I am.

  240. Thanks Brian—you too.

    I don’t think we hated God prior to being born or rather I don’t think we in our nature were born hating God. I think that we were born to be in relationship with him, but due to our own self seeking desires, we are in rebellion to being attached to Him unless He fits the image we would like to make Him into. As for being attached to Him in a healthy way, I think this is possible as we understand what love really is and how it works in our lives in relationship towards others and ourselves. He really has shown us the way to do this–we just draw back because that means we have to change according to Him and that means we just might have to give up those things that we hold onto that have given us reasons to hold back from being all in, so to speak with Him.

  241. Then Linda, and others if the Moses model is not partly to blame and it falls totally and completely on the perpetrator as you say, then the Moses model should be able to continue, after all there are other leaders the Lauries, Rieses, Broderson’s and others who are thriving and maintaining their integrity as they minister within this structure.

  242. You missed the point entirely. Yes, the person who perpetrated these things are totally responsible for the choices they made, however, to let it get as far as it did and to permit others to be moved from one pulpit to another is a systemic problem. One that caters to and attracts those who will not be held to an account while protecting the brand at the same time.

    A very good example would be the case of any pastor who has abuse his children but has yet be held to an account but rather turns it back and its ears and eyes from those who have come forth to ask that he be held to an account. Or even those family members who have reported such things, yet no investigation is ever done to determine whether or not, one who is affiliated is fit to continue to be a pastor or in a leadership role.

    The message that CC is giving out is it is okay to abuse your wife, cheat on her, and child abuse is kool speaks volume by the sheer silence that has been demonstrated over the years by Chuck Smith and his proteges.

  243. What happens to pastors when they’re put out to pasture?
    Where’s Jimmy K now? And Ralph W? And others?
    Can they come back?
    David Hockeing came back!
    Will BC be able to ever come back to the pastorate again?

  244. Hopefully, they find something better to do with their time than to seek the attention that led them into being able to act out to gain what was not theirs to have in the first place. Like the rest of us non-members, I supposed they will need to get a job and if they don’t have any skills, then I supposed they will need to go to school to get the training to enable them to be able to get a job.

    Gosh, they could even volunteer to serve those who have been battered, abused, and tossed under the bus by those who have victimized them. They could then become activist to stop the abuse by sharing their testimony and working with others to educate pastors and churches on what to do when someone comes to them to say they are being abused, molested, or just plain being used for that which ought not be discussed here on this blogsite.

    As for returning to the pulpit——not until a whole lot of time have passed and this person has gone out of the church to work a regular job and his wife and children can say without any pressure that he has repented and that they fully trust him to lead them and those in the church again.

  245. That would be job where he is not in a leadership, counseling, or even partnership or ownership position.

  246. I remember a few years ago when Pastor Bob’s brother had to resign due to moral issues. It was a very sad time, however, it made me realize that these are men, not God and man is not perfect. No matter who we are, man cannot equal God. I love Pastor Bob and will miss him very much. It was him that lead me to God and gave me something that I had never experienced in my life and I shall be forever grateful. Pastor Bob also said that the greatest sinners are the one’s that need to be here(at Calvary Chapel) the most. He has touched so many thousands of people and led them to a more fulfilling life with God he has been a pillar in the community. He shall be missed dearly. My heart hurts for him and his family.

  247. Advice for the men.
    “A stiff penis has no conscience. So don’t put yourself in position to have a stiff penis.”

  248. When this blog first started almost 4 years ago, I had personal wounds to heal from and it was a place where others could come as well to share their burdens.

    Alex began this blog because of his own personal situation, and I urged him to increase his territory and include other CC’s because many of us showed up here from different CC’a, and we all needed a place to talk it over in an anonymous way–get some insight and recover.

    I am personally thankful to Alex–this blog was quiet for a long time. With this new situation there will be many who are disillusioned who are looking for a safe place to share.

    I want others to know that this blog has Christians who are able to share those burdens. And some of us are closer to this particular situation that they may realize.

    There is a process of grief we must all walk through when what we thought “was” was not. Shock…may turn into anger..

    There are people here who care.

    There may be those who have left CCFTL on uncertain terms before this news of PB’s leaving. This is not a gossip blog but a place you can share if you choose to.

    God is cleaning up his church. As Isaiah said “My lips are unclean”. Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord.

    Linda- You are giving wise counsel as always.

  249. Is this a congregation franchise made up of born again pedophile drug addicts and misfit scammers for the nieve to fall for???????

  250. Lianne

    I am sorry to hear about your situation.
    It must have been so difficult living through that.
    My personal opinion is that most large churches do not have enough skilled in the area of counseling to deal with these situations.
    Many large churches have biblical counseling programs that a person attends for 12 weeks and then they are able to counsel? I knew someone in biblical counseling and she said that at first she was able to counsel someone 3 times for an hour, and then it was cut down to one hour.

    We have people dealing with situations in churches that need time to spend with another to talk about their sins and burdens. If you try and find Biblical counselors outside your church- you won’t find many.

    The church rejects any “wordly” wisdom, any intervention unless it is from a Christian. That eliminates a large part of the population.

    So who that is struggling with sin really gets the help they need? Many are not.

    The problem in a megachurch is that with most it is impersonal and superficial.
    People are not investing in one another. People are too busy. Unless you are able to get into an “inner circle”, develop those friendships.

  251. Antonio

    There are some Pastors that believe that once a Pastor falls into sin-they should never have the title “Pastor” again. That doesn’t mean they can’t serve the church-just can’t be a shepherd over the flock.

  252. I love Calvary!
    We have all sinned and fall short .
    Not perfect. Not one. We are Forgiven.
    I have been a Christian(born again)
    Since I was 16. That is 23 years. Not all perfect.
    Married 31 years. Never immoral . But we all have weak points that get us .
    I have never been so blessed and truly understood what God wants us to know than when I started going to Calvary.
    Have been in The Jupiter one 11 years.
    Sad people wait for a low point to attack instead of saying it happens to all.
    Remember David?
    Guess I drank the Kool aid yesterday.
    Lol

  253. In my above comment- i had a typo. 33 years that I have been a Christian. (Didn’t have on my Glasses) :)

  254. Re: Brokenhearted @232 said,

    “I see my same story over and over again: dare to call leadership to account and you will be shown the door, your relationships will be destroyed, and your name will be dragged through the mud.”

    My story, and countless others, as well.

    Sorry to hear you’ve been dragged into this unwanted club, Brokenhearted. I’m about 4 years out. Give yourself lots of time. For me, studying the mechanics of spiritual abuse, what the larger issues are (lack of accountability, closed finances, nepotism, man-worship, etc…) It helped me to grasp the larger pervasive picture so I wasn’t stuck for too long in the details that seemed like an octopus’ arms pulling me down to the depths of despair.

    I turned a corner when I read in Acts how when the Apostle Paul was in Ephesus and appointed the first elders. He told them that people will come in from the outside to lead people astray, cause destruction. He also said that people will “rise up from among you” to also cause destruction. Therefore, it was the elders’ job to protect the sheep (read: not the leaders.) It was then that I realized for the first time that for some reason God designed the church from the beginning knowing that there would be spiritual abuse (along with other abuses; but all fall under a spiritual abuse category when they take place in context of church, the Body of Christ.) I don’t understand God’s thinking, I just trust God knows what He’s doing.

    May God comfort you. May you have safe places to vent for what is indeed righteous anger. May you have understanding friends who remind you that you are not insane, you have value, and that the spiritual abuser(s) are/were wrong.

  255. King David was a king and not a religious leader. Because he was a man of war he was not allowed to even build the temple for God.

    Thankfully, David eventually repented. (He was 10 months in sin before Nathan approached him to rebuke him.) David still paid a hefty price.

    Bob Coy is a religious leader. He has been disqualified from leadership. We don’t gloat or rejoice. But we know why it’s extremely important for a fallen leader to be outed publicly.

    1. The Bible tells us to rebuke them publicly so that others may take warning.
    2. We know that often fallen leaders who get to walk away without having to fully admit to the breadth and depth of their sin. The result can be disastrous. The fallen leader returns to ministry and without true repentance, or the real issues publicly known, others follow him. They claim mercy and grace, but the leader has yet to come clean and the people are in jeopardy. Everyone, both leader and followers alike, lose.

  256. Why do the koolaid drinkers always compare “King” David to their pastors? That alone should show them where their heart is, they have turned their pastor into their king.

    What is happening to Coy is God’s plan. He is showing us that no man is to high to fall.

  257. Re: Lianne @228,

    I just grieve for you that you had to endure that. I’m so sorry. They were totally wrong to not deal with the real issues, and to blame you for your ex-husband’s addictive sexual behavior is ludicrous. (But then Mark Driscoll blamed Ted Haggard’s wife for his fall. False blaming like that comes from a very low view of women. It’s very telling.)

    I know motives are usually mixed so it’s hard to just pin down and guess one motive when analyzing why the CC pastors handled your ex the way they did. But the usual culprits are:

    1. Belief in cheap grace that ignores many scriptures that call for disqualification and public rebuke. Cheap grace is actually not loving the person who needs help.
    2. Protecting the brand (CC) more than the person (the fallen CC leader.)

    Protecting the brand can be a love of power, position and/or money. No matter how much they try to tell themselves and others it is … it’s NOT a love for God.

  258. Great to see you, Not Alone!

    Well put. These pastors are NOT KINGS!

  259. I came across this site as I got notified from a Christian website of Bob Coy stepping down. From the sounds of the “commentary and opinion” you have provided, you give off the impression of a bitter and critical spirit. Here these men are doing the work of The Lord and you’re sitting back and writing articles on their failures, as if they’re not already under enough guilt and sorrow themselves.

    When you write things like:

    “This is not a happy day and not an “I told you so!”…it is simply something I always expect to happen and I know many more stories of abuse and moral failure will come from Calvary Chapel…because I know the truth about mankind and religion.”

    You come off snarky and self righteous, as if you get off on these men’s failures. I find this site critical and bitter.

  260. Hello Greatful, good to see you also. I’ve been reading all the comments here and PP. It’s always the same every time one of these pastorkings fall, the followers cut and paste the bits of the bible that help them to quickly defend their fallen leader. Part of their defense on both sites I see the parroted claims of “verse by verse” bible teaching and the “whole counsel” instead of what other churches teach. It’s hard to maintain their superior church model when their pastorking is no better then the cheating pastor from the denom down the street.

    I challenge all CC followers to go back and look over what books you actually covered 2013. Did you actually go book by book and verse by verse? Did your pastor give an overview of a chapter on Sunday with the plan of going into deeper detail of that same chapter on Wednesday? This was the change I saw at CC 6 years ago which made it topical on Sunday and the illusion of detail on Wednesday. No matter what, they cover the books that fit their agenda and disregard the ones that hold them accountable.

    CCVisalia if you took this challenge you would see the same boring pattern repeated over many years.

  261. Funny morning show, Bob and Tom, covered the Coy story this morning. Their observations was that the only person Coy follows on Facebook is a buxom blond Zumba instructor….I guess that makes since :/

  262. “You come off snarky and self righteous, as if you get off on these men’s failures. I find this site critical and bitter.”

    LOL, judge not lest you be judged, hypocrite.

  263. Not Alone, those are always the best!

    “DON’T JUDGE! YOU SHOULDN’T POST STUFF ON A BLOG JUDGING OTHERS!’

    …um, err….well…um….you just did. Show me how that’s done LOL

  264. Coming on a public blog criticizing and “judging” others for blogging about church abuse etc. IS judging others publicly on a blog.

    The irony is thick

  265. I think I’ll use their advice back toward them: “Just pray for us and leave it to the Lord and stop judging us, thanks”

  266. I like that. But I bet it only makes them angrier.

  267. Folks who judge judges never see that they are judging. It’s beyond them. Just like those who scream (yeah, they scream) “Haters!” are themselves the haters. It is what it is. “Hey! What it is!”

  268. Not Alone wrote: “I challenge all CC followers to go back and look over what books you actually covered 2013. Did you actually go book by book and verse by verse? Did your pastor give an overview of a chapter on Sunday with the plan of going into deeper detail of that same chapter on Wednesday? This was the change I saw at CC 6 years ago which made it topical on Sunday and the illusion of detail on Wednesday. No matter what, they cover the books that fit their agenda and disregard the ones that hold them accountable”

    THAT IS A GREAT CHALLENGE.

    The whole “CC teaches the Bible line by line”, is a FARCE. Even Chuck Smith never taught line by line on Sunday morning. He taught topical on Sunday mornings for decades.

    Finding a CC that teaches line by line on Sunday morning, is a needle in a haystack kind of thing.

    In the end, CC is just as much hype and bread and circus as every other church out there.

    True churches that teach line by line, that do true expository teaching of the Word of God, are out there. CC is not usually one of them.

  269. Not Alone, why do all these people come on here “judging” us? They sound sound full of hate and bitterness ;-)

    I thought they said to pray and leave it to God

  270. I have attended Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale for the past 20 years. There is NO membership no one is deceived about this. The church finances have been made available. It wasn’t Bob who grew the church but God. I have never been asked for money but we have been taught the principal for tithing and offering. Pastor Bob has ALWAYS asked his congregation NOT to idolized him and not put him or any of the pastors in a pedestal because they will disappoint. We have always been taught to follow Jesus and Jesus only.We have been taught to not be ignorant and verify everything with our bibles. I believe every church should have a good accountability system but I also believe that some of the people commenting on this blog are coming from a place of bitterness with narcissist tendencies that somehow they believed that the church failed them and somehow the church should have cover the emptiness that only Jesus can. I am appalled at some of the so called Christians on this blog that write their hate next to a scripture, or who say they have no compassion or sympathy for a fallen pastor, really? that goes against everything Jesus teaches in the bible. I know and I believe that Pastor Bob Coy is being discipline and he and his family are already paying the consequences of his sin. The church did not try to hide his sin, he has been and everything that has to do with him has been removed from Calvary FTL. In the meeting yesterday we were told that he will NEVER be a pastor at Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale again. I have attended and have served at this church in different ministries and different times in my life. I am proud today more than ever to walk alongside the most humble, giving people who in spite of what is going on in our church they are looking at Jesus and not a man and now we are more determined than ever to pray for our pastors and to help to lift our church from this.

  271. The only true verse by verse teaching I ever heard was by J Vernon Magee. Much better than CC ever was at it’s best.

  272. “Pastor Bob has ALWAYS asked his congregation NOT to idolized him and not put him or any of the pastors in a pedestal because they will disappoint”

    First of all, he is no longer a pastor. Even the CC FL site calls him “Bob Coy”, not “Pastor Bob Coy”.

    Second, I’m so tired of the endless Bob Coy disciples stating their favor of him. If he supposedly taught the Bible and was not just trying to be a stand up comedian, then why do none of his disciples seem to know about 1 Timothy 3, and the requirements to be considered a pastor? Did he skip these verses in his teaching?

    I’ve met a lot of his followers. Usually their comment about him: “He’s so funny!”

  273. I just want to mention one more thing. God is not surprised with what happened at Calvary FTL, HE knew this day was coming but he use Bob Coy for 28 years anyways. I have seen many come to Jesus and TRANSFORM their lives because of the TRUE gospel of JESUS CHRIST that we received from the Holy Spirit through Bob Coy. I have seen first hand how all the different ministries that this church has founded, have changed the lives of many people. And I know the God will use all this fallen pastors who truly repent again, all I have to do is look at the live of King David and know that the Lord has always been in the business of redemption. Please don’t judge a church that you have not been to, don’t bundle up all Calvary Chapels into one. And don’t expect ANY church to be perfect otherwise we would all have to stay home. And just because someone can type away their bad experiences with a particular church and/or pastor hiding behind a computer doesn’t make it true. I have seen people at my church get upset with the Pastors and leave the church because in their (crazy) eyes the pastor did not counsel the ex-husband who also attended the church in the way she wanted him to. She went on to bash the church and the pastor as not Godly. I saw this with my own eyes because she was a friend! so please STOP dividing the church and if you want a perfect church you might have to wait until the rapture or until God takes you home!

  274. I am a disciple of Jesus not of Bob Coy and it doesn’t really matter who calls him pastor or not he was my pastor for 20 years. Calvary Chapel stated that he resigned, other blogs are saying he got fired. But in this day in age if you google something I guess is true. The statement of the church is that Bob Coy confessed to immoral sin and that he resigned and that’s it everything is speculation.

  275. “I have seen many come to Jesus and TRANSFORM their lives because of the TRUE gospel of JESUS CHRIST that we received from the Holy Spirit through Bob Coy”

    You can’t prove any such thing.

    A person sitting in the crowd, is not proof of their transformation.

    Even Bob Coy was not transformed!

    One particular CC FL guy I knew last year, just LOVED Bob Coy to pieces, he told some story about how Bob Coy taught in a message that he was stopped by the police, so on and so forth, what a funny story, he said.

    That CC FL guy is living with his girlfriend, with no intention of getting married.

    Where’s the “transformation”?

  276. I believe this question from MN of PhxP presents the best breakdown of our situation thus far:

    So when a megachurch with ten satellites loses the personality they were built on…what happens now?

  277. I agree with Nana. My intention was not to troll the internet for blogs that I can ridicule as I have never bee to this site, but I believe that all human beings are susceptible to falling and don’t see a purpose in adding fuel to the fire. Bob Coy did nothing “shady” or try to hide anything. He realized his “moral failure” and stepped down. The rest is btwn him and The Lord. This site alone is targeting the negative rather than looking at all the positive that has come out of CC’s. Yes, he stepped down, but how many has he brought to The Lord since 1985??? How many seeds has he planted/watered?

    I just find it sad when Christians hide behind scriptures to condemn other brothers and sisters. “Judging” is for The Lord, and Him only but as Christians we are able to assess and I would just ask each and every one of you to put yourself in his shoes and see if you’d want someone blogging about you on top of what you’re already going through telling the world wide web that it’s “time to pay the piper” etc. Christ would never do that to any of his sheep.

  278. “So when a megachurch with ten satellites loses the personality they were built on…what happens now?”

    That is the question. They were coming to hear the stand up comedy of Bob Coy. They weren’t coming to hear Pastor Joe Blow teach.

    Methinks the surrounding churches will find some new attendees over the coming months.

  279. Yes I know 1 Timothy 3 very well and thats who he was. Anyways God Bless You all! all the legalist, and pharisees ect ect ect Congratulations to all of you who seem to be perfect and never have sinned. And Alex I hope your hunger for revenge for whatever happened to you in a CC church gets satisfied a little bit more and your bitter life continues to satisfy you through this blof of hate!

  280. “legalist, and pharisees”

    LOL!

    Quoting the Bible makes you a legalist and a Pharisee.

    Interesting.

    There, my friends, is the “fruit” of the Bob Coy “teaching ministry”.

  281. God bless those who cry “Judge not!” for they would never judge. um… except to judge those who question a fallen leader.

    Don’t judge you sisters and brothers
    for dubious things they may do.
    It’s sin when it happens to others.
    It’s sad when it happens to you.

    On the other hand, I can understand taking offense at someone who is outside my church for commenting on anything within my church, whether it’s true or not.

  282. “someone who is outside my church”

    Bob Coy is fully subject to statements made outside his church, because, he was on the radio, TV, and internet.

  283. The other Followers of Bob are joining the spin of his removal as a “resignation” to follow franchise press release. But you don’t remove everything Coy has ever recorded from the internet unless there is something very serious about happen to him legally. I think his “resignation” was a cover story to remove his digital footprint before it is held against him in court. Just my opinion though. Nothing solid.

    Poor multi millionaire. He’s probably somewhere hiding behind his stacks of cash.

  284. You know, Andy, this clears the picture up for me a bit, that:

    They were coming to hear the stand up comedy of Bob Coy.

    Yesterday when I went to find some videos of Pastor Bob to discern the character of the man for myself, all I really found were some videos of a goofy guy being funny on stage. I couldn’t find a lick of profundity or any real words of wisdom in what I viewed? Was he just a comic entertainer, I asked myself? Who was this man who’s body of “work” has been suddenly scrubbed from the internet?

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  286. Re: Tommy @282,

    “I just find it sad when Christians hide behind scriptures to condemn other brothers and sisters. “Judging” is for The Lord,”–Tommy

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 “It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, ‘You must remove the evil person from among you.’ ”–(NLT)

    “Christ would never do that to any of his sheep.”–Tommy

    Christ is the LORD and He will judge us.
    Acts 10:42 “And he ordered us to preach everywhere and to testify that Jesus is the one appointed by God to be the judge of all—the living and the dead.”–(NLT)

    I don’t mean this push back as harsh, but as a reminder that the Bible is the authority on which I base my actions. Obedience to God and His revealed Word is what compels me to call someone in sin to account. Jesus saved His harshest criticisms for the religious leaders of His day.

  287. Common sense tells me that the multi-site fad is good for Jesus Biz and Bucks but not for real church.

    When the pastors make serious bank, it changes their focus from serving people to preserving the brand.

    When pastors have a national, even international, platform because of their public teaching/seminars/online materials/books, etc… then it’s the business of all the Body of Christ. Even small time pastors have a public presence in their community. Many of these CC pastors are the chaplains for the local police departments, the fire departments, the sports teams, etc… They are a public commodity and everyone can judge them.

  288. Not Alone, this removal of everything Coy has ever recorded from the internet, in my mind, parallels the strange decision of Mark Driscoll’s operation to destroy all staff emails that date back more than three months.

    Officially Mars Hills says the email deletions are being enacted to save technology costs. This, of course, don’t make a lick of sense for a church who typically spares no expense at purchasing the best of everything. It doesn’t even make practical sense as far as a ministry or even a business for that matter goes. The only sense I can make of this decision to disappear documents goes right along with what those who have been displaced from Mars Hill are saying:

    It’s a deliberate attempt to destroy evidence that might be used in litigation against the church.

  289. Not Alone, as for the verse by verse issue, I get why people flocked to it, as I did. I had been in a mainline that had very little Bible teaching. I had also been in another association that preached salvation day in and day out. Then I found another association that had Bible teaching, but it was often the pet topics. So in finding verse by verse, I was thrilled. HOWEVER, when a pastor seemed to get tired, the verse by verse ended up not being much more than spring boards for the pastor’s pet subjects anyway.

    My last pastor would cover two verses in a week and tell us we got deep, when in fact he just talked about his kids, told jokes, wasted precious air time for his pet subjects and gave about a 10 minute actual sermon. I started timing it because it was so glaring to me.

    What we need are teachers who are gifted and spiritually motivated to share God’s word to equip the Body of Christ. Sometimes it’s best covered verse by verse, sometimes it’s best covered by topical, and sometimes it’s a preaching illustration that illuminates. Too much of any one thing is probably creating a weakness in what people are learning.

  290. People who have a problem with this blog have never been in the place of those of us who, through no fault of our own, have been demonized by the very people who we trusted with our spiritual upbringing. They have never been told, like I have, to trust blindly as their pastor lies and makes ungodly decisions. They have never been thrown under the bus and discredited by the leadership of their church for trying to address sin in the highest places. They have never been reviled by people they really believed were their friends.
    Until you experience this incredible heartbreak for yourself (and you just MAY some day, especially if you are very involved in ministry), you can have no idea what this blog is really all about.

  291. monax wrote: “Yesterday when I went to find some videos of Pastor Bob to discern the character of the man for myself, all I really found were some videos of a goofy guy being funny on stage. I couldn’t find a lick of profundity or any real words of wisdom in what I viewed? Was he just a comic entertainer, I asked myself? Who was this man who’s body of “work” has been suddenly scrubbed from the internet?”

    Yes, this is true. He was very funny (some say he was anyway, I never personally thought he was even a little bit funny). But acting like a goof on stage, isn’t Bible teaching.

    A guy that used to come to our church, talked about another church he attended years before, where he invited an unbelieving friend to go there with him. And the church was pastored by a man that was constantly cracking jokes through the whole message. And the unbeliever said to the guy, this pastor thinks it’s all a joke. Why shouldn’t I think the same?

    I believe the Lord has a sense of humor. But the Bible doesn’t have many jokes in it. Why? Because it’s not a joke book. It is the Word of God that holds the truths that separate between heaven and hell. No joke about that.

    Having some well-placed humor in messages is fine. Stand up comedy is pathetic and isn’t Bible teaching.

  292. What’s the big deal, so he diddled a few broads, weren’t they consenting adults, it’s not like he murdered someone or had gay sex or molested a kid, how can anyone judge, maybe they had an open marriage, comman people relax it’s only sex, it only last a few minutes, what is that, like less than 5% of all the other things this guy’s doing for the church, leave the guy alone, I don’t see any women complaining, didn’t King David have a few dozen women standing in the wings waiting for their turn, and how bout Solomon, a few hundred to choose from, well if you’re going to be consistent take out all of King David’s and Salomon’s writings out of your Bible and don’t read their works either, and isn’t every pastor guilty of adultery if you take Jesus words seriously, that to look upon a woman with lust you’ve already committed adultery. Using this criteria shouldn’t every pastor in America be fired, give the guy a break, he’s a good teacher, everyone strays a little bit and has a little strange on the side, many wives know this and realize it doesn’t mean anything, just a little release. Didn’t God provide for this with the whole concubine thing in the O.T. So you could have the number one wife and two or three concubines on the side to spice things up.

  293. I’m curious how many on this chain are Pastors and teachers of The Word of God who have flawless tactics? I’m curious how many are actual detectives for the FBI?

    It’s sad to see all these people sit here and criticize a sinful human being (just like all of us) who did his best to spread The Word and jump to all these accusations from what “other churches did” and “youtube videos.”

    You do have the right to leave his church. You do have the right to disagree with what he did (although NOBODY knows what is it, nor is it our concern for details) but you don’t have the right to judge him. Not anyone on here is perfect and I think people forget that he is merely a man who fell into sin and stepped down respectfully. Leave it at that and let him and The Lord deal with “what really happened.”

    I’m sure not 100% of his congregation was true believers, just like any church. I’m sure many people went to hear him rather than The Word, just like any church. But what is the point of witch hunt blog kicking one of our brothers who is already down?

    I’m thankful I haven’t come across this site before yesterday and I’m thankful that I won’t be back to some bitter blog full of critical spirits who like to finger point:

    “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    -Sincerely, NOT a member of Bob Coy’s church but a Christian who loves and respects his brothers regardless of what they’ve done, because we are ALL sinners.

  294. The reason it is imperative to reveal openly the full story of a leader’s sin, and publicly rebuke him, is because it can serve to help him to fully repent; as well as serve as a warning to others, so the leader cannot just walk back into ministry and lead others astray.

    The former Calvary Chapel pastor, Brian D. Abeyta, of Castle Rock, Colorado, gave what was supposed to be a confession to the church. But he didn’t actually tell them what he did, and own it. Even in the meeting he was still blaming others (such as his wife.) He said he had an “emotional affair” with one women, when 4 women were identified. He said his “spending got out of control,” when $200K + was missing from one year alone, and $440K of rent was never paid, and there was a pile of high living going on by himself and his wife. He failed to mention his false accusations of others on staff when they confronted him. He failed to mention that he’d filed for divorce, yet told his wife to remain quiet and to keep leading the worship while he was “out-of-town on God’s business” for months. (Apparently God’s business is to chase women and not do one’s job.)

    Because Brian Abeyta’s sins were not clearly named and proved before the congregation, Brian was able to come back to town 10 months later and open a new church down the road in Lone Tree, luring people from the old church to his new one. They thought Brian had shown repentance, but they didn’t have all the facts.

    These issues of falling publicly are painful and damaging for all. But it is an absolute must that the sin issues be dealt with in the light, with transparency, the facts must be named.

  295. Grateful: yep that pretty much sums it up. I remember sitting in CCVisalia wondering why people said this guy was a good teacher. After year 3 I saw the same books, same topics and the same agenda became glaringly clear. He used the pulpit and scripture to slowly bend the new comers to his way of thinking and keep the long timers under his control.

    The bible and faith are powerful manipulative tools in the hands of some very bad people without checks and balances. The examples of this are numerous in this thread alone.

    MM: You are right, Mars Hill is a good example. They are not the first but they are blatantly transparent to try to create the illusion of accountability.

  296. Maybe we can just post this every other post till people actually grasp the meaning:

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13

    12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.” (NLT)

  297. “but you don’t have the right to judge him”

    1 Corinthians 5:12 “For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

    (believers are to judge believers)

    Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    (believers are to judge teachers)

    I could give hundreds of such verses that we are to judge teachers, but if you don’t believe it with just two, it would be a waste of time to try and convince you.

  298. “but you don’t have the right to judge him”

    1 Corinthians chapter 5 verse 12: “For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

    (believers are to judge believers)

    Jude chapter 1 verse 3: Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    (believers are to judge teachers)

    I could give hundreds of such verses that we are to judge teachers, but if you don’t believe it with just two, it would be a waste of time to try and convince you.

  299. Hey Monax, can you shoot me an email, I can’t find your contact info.

  300. Andy and Monax, there is no doubt Bob has a sense of humor but he is a very good teacher as well. He has a gift for communicating the love of Christ for the sinner and his humor is interspersed with somberness. I don’t know his financial situation but I doubt he is a multi-millionaire. He doesn’t live in a fancy house, drive fancy cars and his clothes come from JC Penny. Except for a few years, I have attended there since it was in a much smaller warehouse (early ’90s) and they don’t take an offering and have rarely asked for money. A few times for special events was the norm except for a couple years ago when they apparently hired some Christian marketing firm for a “Until the whole world hears” campaign which I think asked for pledges or something. It didn’t last long I believe and it was never done again. I personally didn’t like that at all and thought they were going in the wrong direction. That being said, I’ve been a Christian since 1978, been through Teen Challenge, been in churches all over the country, seen Swaggart fall, Jim Bakker fall, myself fall, seen scandals here, scandals there, and I can tell you, there is no perfect church or pastor or teacher, but God’s Word abides forever and Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He’s the one we follow and in these situations the Bible COMMANDS us to respond in a certain way, restoring the fallen in a spirit of MEEKNESS, lest we should be tempted.

  301. The verses are meant for correction and restoration, not for people to sit here and make assumptions and criticize the man based on what they “think.” What is there to judge now? The man sinned, took the necessary steps and admitted it, therefore stepping down. I could see “judging him” being relevant if the he was sinning and a fellow brother or sister saw this, but what is the point of all the assumptions and negativity? The man has done more for The Kingdom than most people can say, not to mention every single person in the Bible sinned besides Christ Himself.

    This seems like a forum for the holier than thou and modern day Pharisees and this is coming from a Christian….I fear how the nit-pickers on here come off to the day to day world who aren’t saved. No wonder the Christian church is such a mockery in the public eye. Hide behind your verses, but this forum speaks NOTHING of love. Only bitterness, assumptions and criticism.

  302. I didn’t realize till now, but once I heard, I should’ve stayed-off the Internet because the reactions are making it worse.
    Years ago it was made painfully obvious “leaders” are the only ones worthy of attention during these times – not the peons.
    Read Facebook, a lot here, other places, it’s “let fawn over Bob” and thrash the hurt (peons).
    I honestly would have believe back then when, compared to this fiasco, the issues affecting me were quite small, but still unBiblical, that this could happen and already there’s talk (and probably plans) for restoration.
    For the first 6ish years of my walk, Chuck and many others publicly thrashed a lot of other ministries, seminaries, etc., not CC.
    CC “leaders” are the only ones who get to dictate what everyone get’s to be upset about (Chuck and his evil former denominated for example).
    I CAN’T BELIEVE my faith was, against my will, mixed with such Roman Catholic-ish Papal hero double-standard garbage. No, I’m not saying my faith has been shaken, just how phony so much of our practices are.
    So, let me get this straight. “Leaders” are not to be held to a higher standard, but THEY and THEY ALONE get to dictate what we are to feel, about what, when and for how long (I STILL had to listen to Chuck talk about being forced to be an evangelist 50 freekin’ years after the incident!!!).
    Thinking VERY seriously about finding some house church until they grow over 8 or so, then RUNNING!
    Need prayer. A lot of you are making a mockery of the Bible, God, and any logic and doctrine.

  303. “The man has done more for The Kingdom than most people can say”

    John chapter 3 verse 27: John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

    (Bob Coy did nothing but be an available tool)

    Galatians chapter 6 verse 3: For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself

    (Bob Coy did nothing but be an available tool)

    “No wonder the Christian church is such a mockery in the public eye”

    Bob Coy cheated on his wife, lied to thousands of people every week, hypocritically declared the Word of God even as he intentionally rejected obeying it for himself, and did so in person, on the radio, and on television. So much exposure that they had to scrub his existence out of all of them, and now he’s all over the news, worldwide.

    Oh yes, but some little itty bitty internet blog is making a mockery of the Christian church. Uh huh…

  304. Brokenhearted, I can relate – I’ve been there. The betrayal you’ve experienced takes a long time to heal. I had the same situation in a non-CC church in MA – 14 year membership, countless hours of volunteering, always gave tithes and offerings – in fact, sold my home and gave the church most of the money for the building fund. I was there every time the church needed me. And when I needed them, they kicked me to the curb. As, I found, they have done with many others before me. You’re no longer useful, so see ya. It was a huge, devastating, eye-opener and I haven’t been back to a church since – going on 4 years now. I agree with Grateful – give yourself lots of time to recover, and don’t let the ‘parrots’ get you when they tell you you have to ‘get over it’. You’re wounded – and some wounds do take longer to heal than others.

    So, as a former Floridian, I remember attending CC a couple of times in the 90′s with a friend. Wasn’t that the place they used to call the ‘Chippendale Church’, owing to the large number of good looking young men who attended? Too funny.

  305. I think Pastor Coy did the right thing and commend him for resigning because many pastors continue to hide and remain unrepentent, leaving room for Satan to attack them and destroy their lives and families and harm their congregation.

    On the other hand, in a way, it seemed kind of cowardly not to come himself and announce it, but leaving it instead for others to do for him whatever his moral failing was, which also seems to remain secret (so you have to wonder why is it still secret?)

    I say these things not to be judgmental, but because if it were my pastor that resigned (which has happened to me more than once) even if it weren’t for moral failings, I would want to know why and I would be devistated, very grieved.

    Thankfully he allowed himself to be disciplined. So very sorry for his congregation.

  306. […] Coy will suffer loss for his sin. He was a big boy and took risks and made the choices he made and now it’s time to pay the piper. Many don’t get caught in Calvary Chapel and they get away with their sin for many years. My step-dad is one such example. I have more sympathy for a “moral” issue like Coy’s appears to be than I do for someone who hurts kids…but regardless, we’re all sinners and we all need Jesus. None of us get “transformed” and none of us can meet the standard…even after we’re supposedly saved. That is the great myth of Calvary Chapel’s brand of Christianity*…there is no such thing as the “transformation” gospel. We’re all still sinners after we’re saved and we’re all just as capable of sinning as we were before we were saved…which is why we NEED ACCOUNTABILITY measures in place to protect kids and to have open finances to keep things on the up-and-up with the Jesus money. (Bob Coy to resign as senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale: Update 4/6/14) […]

  307. […] Julie Anne also provides this copy of a woman named Lianne from the Calvary Chapel Abuse blog – I found this pertinent to this blog: by Lianne ((Link): comment source) […]

  308. I used to attended a CC. I experienced first hand the politics and out right bully mentality of a CC Pastor. I don’t believe all CC pastors are like this but I understand what others are going through who have been hurt by church leadership. I do recommend a free online book that the Lord used to help me during the healing process: So You Don’t Want To Go To Church Anymore. (http://www.jakecolsen.com/contents.html) You’ll be shocked that the main character is going through a similar situation where he discovers the senior pastor was having an affair.

  309. Let me clarify something for you, Tommy. ((#298))

    It is not only the right, but the responsibility of the Body of Christ to judge the ministry, theology and character of every one who assumes to stand before any congregation as their purported Christian leader. They are all accountable and subject to the scrutiny, judgement and correction of the entire Body of Christ in accordance to the Word of God (1 Thess 5:11-22). For if one member suffers, we all suffer (1 Cor 12:26); and although we are to take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, we are, however, called to expose them (Eph 5:11).

    Now when anything is exposed to the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you” (Eph 5:13-14).

    The entrancement of light shining upon the people of Calvary Chapel is no true godly light at all. It is but woeful darkness masquerading as light (see Isa 5:20), full of poisonous lies and toxic substitutes for the real thing.

    So to clarify my position in all this—Bob Coy does not come under my fire for whatever sins he’s just been caught doing, but for being an institutional Wolf and False Pastor in a House of Bondage the Word of God calls the accursed Whore of Babylon!

    Apparently we’ve got an Allegory of the Cave situation at work here. While CC prisoners are chained in the direction of the shadows dancing upon the walls, we have (through various reinforcing techniques—the power of music being one of them) the sheeple being entertained and entrained to believe that they’re actually sitting under true biblical teaching, that they’re actually feeding off the true light of God.

    But it’s a distinctly false fire burning in the bellies of these Calvary Chapels, burning in the hearts of these Pastors—with every one of them standing condemned as antichrists for their teaching of an utterly False Gospel; for their setting themselves up as false spiritual Heads of their own ecclesiastical domains; and for their asserting a most unbiblical form of Spiritual Authority. Please know—every single CC Pastor is indicted for being a Priest of the Whore of Babylon.

    From Calvary Chapel’s franchised inception she has been structurally Roman in faith and practice. Her steeply hierarchical model for doing church has been legalistically designed for absolute ecclesiastical domination and control. . . and apparently (as I read above) some people feel most comfortable with this sort of subjection, but it’s not spiritually healthy. It’s not even personally or corporately viable to have some franchised Moses possessing ruling authority over God’s people—it creates spiritually weak and blind followers, to say the least.

    From the Chuck Smith outset the Moseses of Calvary Chapel have maintained their domination and control by indoctrinating the church with a false gospel that has invariably placed their congregants deeper and deeper into spiritual bondage (to things like fear and despair, to deceit and self-righteous pride, even to such visionary things as service to the Pastors themselves).

    This domination and control is solidified by the assumption of a false spiritual authority. These enterprising Pastors make themselves the decisive ruling powers over their Calvary Chapels, taking ownership over their churches. And while they teach their congregants that they are to be submissive and obedient to their pastoral authority, these Pastors, in turn, don’t consider themselves to be subject to any sort of submission or accountability to the congregations they rule.

    It’s a One Way system at Calvary Chapel. Either the Pastor’s way or the exit door. They don’t have body guards in these prisons for nothing.

    Paul in Ephesians tells us that we’re to “submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (5:21). Shouldn’t the Pastors be the foremost models in teaching us what it’s like to submit to one another?

    [[ Note: the gifted shepherds and teachers we have among us are tasked with showing us how to wield spiritual authority over the spiritual realm of the Adversary.

    By no means is this a spiritual position of authority over other members of the Body, but an authority and empowerment for each other that we possess—so that we all might learn to wield properly and most effectively the spiritual authority every Spirit-filled follower of Christ has inherent access to.

    In the words of Jesus:

    Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven (Luke 10:19-20).

    True spiritual authority is the power to subject dark spirits to the children of light, not the power to subject others to ourselves! ]]

    Now when I say “antichrist” I mean it in the most literal sense of the word, for our Greek preposition anti- carries with it the meaning of “in place of” and “against”.

    And it is for this reason I take up my sword against Calvary Chapel: the Moseses there have established for themselves mediating positions that essentially come in-between and against God and his people. And they are bloody guilty of some most wicked spiritual abuses against the children of God!

    Tommy, you have swallowed the fruit of lies. Or maybe you’ve been swallowed by the beast that keeps you blinded from the true light of life. The chains in CC are spiritual and theological. Let’s pray they’re broken. That soon those prisoners within these dark chapels might experience directly the fresh healing Sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:1-3), face to face, unmediated by the dazzling shine of Wolf Bob Coy’s teeth!

    http://spiritualauthority.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/false-pastor-bob-coy/#comments

  310. “It’s a One Way system at Calvary Chapel.”

    Ha ha!

    One way!

  311. Monax

    Nicely written. Foundational in truth and in the spirit will bring light to darkness of the soul to cause the person to repent or to dig in deeper to hide from being exposed while giving an appearance by doing works that emulates but is not provable due to a lack of accountability and transparency.

  312. Yes, Linda, as you say: the key for leadership is accountability and transparency!

    wink wink to a casual observer

  313. Did anyone of you think that our Great Government is the cause of scandal??? I don’t believe a word of it. Every Megachurch that falls, is one up on the enemy and better for Our Illuminati controlled Government….Think about it! If we are not in the End Times, then what do we call whats going on in this world?????? As far as I can see, this will get rid of all the people who shouldn’t be in our church and make the one’s that should be STRONGER!

  314. Pastor Bob/Cavalry Chapel changed my life. God forgives, so do I. I’m praying for Cavalry Chapel, Bob Coy and his family. AMEN

  315. Monax – see #306

  316. When I first heard the news, I was saddened, to the point of depression. But then, I began to read more, especially at this site, and my sadness turned to anger. The more I read, the more I realized that I don’t yet have enough reliable information to know HOW I should feel.

    What actually happened? Was Pastor Bob always a truly good and sincere, God-fearing man, right up till the last few months or so, when he went into some sort of mid-life crisis and began having affairs and perusing pornography? Has he now seen the error of his ways, leading to true repentance? If so, then I feel sad for him, for all he’s lost.

    Or, as I’ve seen suggested in several places, was he, from the very start, merely putting on the “Pastor Bob Act” he knew would afford him to the rock star status that would lead him to more money, more power and more adoration?

    Or…does the truth perhaps lie somewhere between these two extremes?

    As I said, I don’t have enough information to know what to think, or how to feel. I don’t know that any of us will ever have ALL the information to allow us a correct response. Every day since the news came out, I’ve been looking for more information, something that will help take me out of this limbo of CONFUSION.

    Has this been going on since 2005 or earlier, and others at the church knew about it, and let it go on? If so…for shame! Or were all the higher-ups at CCFL just as surprised as the rest of us?

    Different people come forward and say, “I know this,” or “I know that,” but how do we know we can trust everything we read? The internet is the greatest source of MISinformation, and the wise person takes it all with a grain of salt. Frankly, it’s exhausting. I’m waiting for something concrete. Anyone have any idea how long that might take, or whether it will ever happen at all?

    It’s interesting to me that Pastor Bob himself continues to be silent, more than a week out. I feel if he could make some kind of confession and apology that would sit well and be understood and appreciated by “his followers,” wouldn’t he have done that by now?

    Of course, at this point, how much good would it do? From personal experience I know that (in at least 99.9% of cases, I would imagine) an adulterer is by definition also a LIAR, and once someone lies, can you really trust anything they say? Even if they speak the truth, it’s still going to sound like a lie to those people who don’t wish to believe it.

    Those people who want to believe that Pastor Bob can be redeemed and return to the pulpit are going to go on believing that, hoping for that, never considering how ludicrous and inappropriate such a turn of events would be for the Body of Christ. Those people who believe that Bob’s been a fraud since the very beginning, are going to go on believing that, and probably nothing you say is going to change their mind.

    But what about the rest of us, stuck somewhere in the middle…who don’t know what to believe?

  317. Pastor Bob was cool. Now he’s gone. His “successors” are unworthy pretenders, The church he founded will disappear.

  318. William wrote: “Pastor Bob/Cavalry Chapel changed my life”

    Bob Coy has no power to change anybody’s life. The Bible makes that clear. Doesn’t anybody read the Bible? I’m beginning to think that Bob Coy never taught the Bible at all.

  319. “Every man needs accountability. Unfortunately, many accountability relationships fail for a variety of reasons.”

    Accountability Relationships are the most overrated overused term in Christiandom. i would like to think that if you need an accountability partner then maybe it’s time to grow up and be an adult. Ultimatley I fear God and I know he sees me everyday, that’s all the accountability I need in my spiritual life.

  320. “I would NOT recommend 9Marks ideas on church membership and authority. People become members of a church and if you have a tyrannical pastor and try to leave, they sometimes do not release you. 9March churches will contact previous church to make sure you “left properly.” This has caused huge problems for people. If they want to go to church, sometimes they are forced to remain at tyrannical church because of the 9Marks rules. Not good. Church membership is not Biblical. It is a man made rule.”

    I would like to see anyone try to force me to remain at any church!

    at 6’0 and 218 lbs. I don’t intimidate easily!

  321. To be fair to CC tho, they are only one of the many Church Institutions that are screwed up!

  322. “Why do you exploit people and their problems? Why don’t you write a blog about all the times you screw up? Is this just a place for ‘Christians’ to throw stones at other ‘Christians’?”

    to a point I agree but remember we also must warn the Flock of False Pastors/Teachers etc. Shout it from the rooftops. I’m not better than bob as I have also fallen. Bob’s issue is that he claimed the office of Pastor and it appears he led a double life. Just imagine what type of conscience he has being able to do that with a straight face. For me when I fell, I left the Church, I can’t be Fake!

  323. “CC pastor’s wives are” Stepford Wives”, if Diane Coy’s family reads this please get her professional help outside of CC, and if Alex’s mom reads this call your son, it’s been way to long. It’s time to tell the truth. The Truth will set You Free.”

    Don’t kid yourself, some of the Wives of big wig Pastors love the benefits of their Husbands fleecing the flock and they will answer to God just as their Husbands will, just as Sapphira was struck down, these Women will not get off the hook just because of the anatomy they were born with.

  324. “Church in America is a BUSINESS now! If you deny that your either blind or refuse to see whats really going on.”

    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    That’s why we shouldn’t waste time trying to Fix sinking rat ships such as the Institutional American Church. Worship God in spirit and in truth, you don’t need a 501 C 3 Tax write off or a debt. ridden Building to do that. The Church needs to get back to Home Fellowships!

  325. “Getting info from a long time blog participant here who used to attend CCFL and has friends and family who still does that Chet is a good guy from what they know…so that’s a good thing.”

    How many times have we heard this about a Pastor? Okay, I will try to be positive!

  326. disillusioned1

    I feel for you.
    God is not a God of confusion.
    The fact that you are confused is proof that your spirit is not settled.
    He owed to all the people like you who put their lives into that church to come clean.
    As you say, that will probably never happen, and it is a shame.

    You ought to be settled.
    You ought to be able to be angry or forgive him.
    Because he handled it the way he did in secrecy and non-specifics, your mind is going crazy trying to figure it out. No one should have to.
    Some say he only owes it to his family.
    He is supposed to represent a messenger of the Lord and be a servant of the Lord and an example to all the men out there. He failed not only his family but his sheep.

  327. Dear Disillusioned,

    I have felt exactly like you have and sobbed so hard during last Wednesday service is was insane. I has been in deep grief since and I begged God to give me peace about this… The next day, for a split second I was able to perceive this through Gods eyes – like an angry parent that has given their child
    E V E R Y T H I N G only for it to be taken away. Bob Coy led a GREAT life – helicopter rides, getting off speeding tickets, super bowl, celebrity treatment, extravagant trips, takes summer off, a full staff writing his sermons – I mean he had THE LIFE! AND HE DISOBEYED GOD. God 1) gave him waysssssssss out of temptation! 2) God gave him more grace and mercy that we can imagine – this has been going on for YEARS! Bob wasnt a Pastor – BUT he was an amazing Bible teacher and get this! With NO formal training! He never dished out a single penny for tuition. He didnt go to seminary! God loved Bob A LOT A LOT A LOT. He blessed him A LOT A LOT A LOT. And Bob willingly, mockingly disobeyed him! I will always keep Bob and Fam in prayers But GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!!!!!

  328. #322 Dis and daughter # 333 – Thank you both for your real honesty. It’s refreshing to read! Many participating here on this blog share in your anger and disillusionment and tears from being involved with CC!

  329. I particularly would be interested to know if this was the reason that Clay Hecock left CCFTL (the lifetime music leader from the beginning…). Did he know about these issues and go to Bob Coy as a Nathan and was rejected? Maybe Clay just couldn’t take it any more?

  330. #333 I love what you have written. Spot-on!

  331. I had my comments deleted at CCFTL blog. Anything that isn’t pro-Bob gets whacked there.

    I had an accounting friend in the know at CCFTL tell me that 3% of the attendees there pay 90% of all of the tithes. I cannot imagine that they will be able to suffer all of this with their debt load. I see them as a By-word in coming years…”Oh yeah, I remember when that building housed a church and the leader took them down….”

    The damage done to the Christian Community in Ft. Lauderdale will be hard to calculate.

  332. This was Bob Coy’s church and he started it up from scratch. He is entitled to the millions that is in the church banking account because it belongs to him being it was his church and I would take out the $134 million and leave the church with $1 million only, I would also shut and close the church down which Bob will most likely do anyhow.

  333. When the master posited to be one with him, it meant just that! The church, The Lord, our souls….the trinity, right here in all of us!! We are so small in wisdom, so rich in ego, an so ignorant of spirit.

    The master cannot be held in a church of wood and stone, or man of flesh and bone. There will be a time to learn of the truth, it is when humans stop being human.

    Blessings for a peaceful afterlife….

  334. The master cannot be held in a church of wood and stone,
    but He does dwell within His creatures of flesh and bone.

  335. daughter

    A full staff writing his sermons…
    I think of Charles Spurgeon who had to write a sermon EVERY DAY for his local newspaper (comparable to the NY times).
    He was in the Word ALL DAY!

    Perhaps if this Pastor spent less time hob nobbing with celebrities, and getting summer long vacations away from the pulpit and actually spent MORE time in the Word, this would not have happened.

    There was no internet in Spurgeon’s day.
    You couldn’t rip off someone else’s sermon.
    You had to hear from God yourself through the ministry of His Holy Spirit.
    \Maybe God was not talking to this Pastor because the Pastor was not “plugged into the Source”.

  336. He needs to get tested for Aids or STD’s. Who knows where he has been?

  337. #322 Disillusioned1: In my wildest dreams I could never have imagined to write about my pastor’s sexual activities. This is all so wrong. I could have accepted and forgiven him for the internet porn addiction but two affairs in a year? I know a lot of unbelievers who would never do that. Bob Coy cannot love his wife. He was living a lie and it would have been better for him to announce that they are getting a divorce and that would have been fine by me. Instead he wanted it both ways. There is something very wrong with a mind that can be so frivolously sinful before our God and then the next day walk unto the stage and teach us. I honestly do not know how he could have done that for 365 days.

  338. i suffered a lot and i still do from this news. but at the same time god is merciful. it must not be easy what his family is going through. before god, and before the world. but god forgives if you confess. He forgave peter who betrayed him. who are we to judge if we sin too, he is human just like us. i hope that one day he returns and that god brings him back as a new man. We do not know the whole story, but god does. of course we all need to pray, satan is here to rob and destroy us, but god is life and abundance. I have faith that one day he will come back, This can happen to any of you, pray for his family, because their life is not easy right now, and pray for the people in the church.

  339. A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches,
    Loving favor rather than silver and gold.
    Proverbs 22:1

  340. I was blessed to be ministered to today by precious friends in the Lord. One thing that sticks out to me is this: God can be trusted with the situation. Even though I don’t have any hope of any kind of reconciliation, God is able to do what I see as impossible. The common thread here, though, are leaders who really refuse to repent when they sin. And by that they uncaringly drag so many other people down. The saddest part is the lack of care for the Body of Christ. Leaders who refuse to bring sin into the light are not repentant. Regretting that they got caught, maybe….but not repentant.

  341. Pastor Bob talking about XXX Church (Help for Pornography Addiction and Sex Addiction) at the South East Pastors Conference in 2011. I wonder if he wishes that he could have taken that moment to admit his addictions. Alas,he says to the other pastors, if they should have that issue, to go look into it. I do not think he had it in him to give up the throne. This is in the beginning of the lecture.
    http://vimeo.com/19216318

  342. All I can say of this whole fiasco, is that what happens in Vegas, should stay in Vegas. He brought it with him to CCFTL. My mistake believing him. Will not repeat it.

  343. Anne, haha, a funny….. should stay in Vegas…..good for you on NEVER wanting a pastor to fool you again. Kinda like fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

  344. The Bible is full of men who failed yet God still used them: My question in all of this, and probably the most important question of all is, “how has this situation affected YOUR relationship with Jesus Christ. I used to use my Bible as a Sunday only book. Since learning from Pastor Bob, I use it DAILY. My secret? I never expected the pastor to be more than what he was–a man.

  345. 350 Why are you turning the spotlight on us because he failed? I did expect more from him because for 14 years he sold himself as a man of God and he made judgments from the pulpit about people who do not live correctly according to the Bible. I remember how he used to make couples who live together, stand up and come forward to take a pledge to get married. If my pastor teacher is just a man who makes mistakes, I can stay home and let my husband be my teacher. I really respect my husband. He is awesome and we are really best friends. He says he can never go back there. It suits me just fine.

  346. It seems much grace, mercy, love, and understanding are genorosely extended to Bob and his family even as we speak , which I believe Christ would desire our body to do. Unfortunately, as a long standing servant and attender I have NOT been given this same similar treatment, nor any verbal indication that there is ant present or future desire for positive restoration for myself or my family in rejoining Calvary Chapel’s body. It has been.multiple years since my family have been involved even though our repentance is earnest, prayers fervent and heart/spirit broken by all that has brought us to where we are presently. It seeks sadly that our body is willing to forgive, forget , or over look the sins of those like, while to their detriment throwing stones at those who who have been totally shunned by the body as long 5 years! Clearly there is something wrong with this if those who profess that they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. People like Bob are desired back promptly, while the less popular are left to languish on the side line jump through every hoop required of them in order to be just become acceptable to the leadership so they might allow us back,even though we will be back stabbed and gossiped about by leaders and lay persons alike. Is it really worth it to go back to a family who doesn’t want us and will treat us like this? We are not sure if the cost are too high, even though we would be leaving many of our long term friends and a what we thought was our forever family in Christ. Maybe it’s time we realise that in unspoken words and the unfriendly actions of those staff members who we once called friends are politely encouraged to find another bodies to seek refuge with as a sense of unwelcomeness settles upon another body IE. Church home. It’s possible that our 20 year season at Calvary Chapel has come to a close. Maybe our 20 year season with this body sadly has ended. I await with excited expectation to see where God wants us and how He will use us to once again glorify Him. It has been a long desert season that I am praying is nearing its end!

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