UPDATE [One of the main reasons I've clarified some "possible" scenarios is due to my lengthy discussions with Gary Ruff of Calvary Chapel Sun Valley Foothills over a year-and-a-half ago. Gary Ruff was talking to me on behalf of Bob Grenier's out-of-town Board that also consisted of David Rosales of Calvary Chapel Chino Valley and Raul Ries of Calvary Chapel Golden Springs. David was out of town at the time and Raul is Gary's brother-in-law and Gary was passing on the info to Raul and David. Gary tried the angles I present below giving, in essence, the whole "We all have skeletons in our closet" speech and arguing that I and the others are sinners to and he continued to turn the discussion around to challenging and attacking the Victims rather than being honest about what he saw first-hand and rather than focusing on Bob Grenier and the many allegations of abuse and corruption. So, Chuck can blame his guys, the 3 R's (Ruff, Rosales and Ries) for the skepticism...that and the huge pile of testimonies I have of people from all over the country who have had similar experiences when bringing accusations against a Calvary Chapel Senior Pastor.]
The process of dealing with Bob Grenier started nearly seven years ago…privately, per Matthew 18.
Rather than copping to his sin and taking responsibility for his actions, Bob reframed the sin, called it different names, minimized it, rationalized it, shifted blame and by the time he was done with it…it wasn’t sin, it wasn’t ongoing and there was really nothing he needed to confess and repent of.
A metaphor is a husband committing adultery and then saying, “I have a lust problem”…and then never copping to adultery and the specifics of his actions…but just saying he lusted, it was no big deal, get over it, it’s a settled issue, I repented….meanwhile the husband keeps having sex with other women, watching pornography etc…all the while preaching in good standing from a Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa approved Pulpit.
That is what Bob Grenier has done and is doing.
Bob committed Felony Child Abuse, as defined by the Governing Authority (Romans 13:1). Clear-cut, state-defined child abuse, many many many many times over. Bob still treats his family terribly to this day by evidence of him separating children from their mother and grandchildren from their grandmother, all because Bob won’t own his sin and lying and come clean.
This first meeting with Chuck Smith will deal directly with Bob Grenier and his Child Abuse, the molestation allegation by his blood son Paul Grenier and the many many wrongs that others have reported over the many years at Calvary Chapel Visalia.
One thing I will make very clear from the onset: this meeting is NOT about me, my brothers or the many others who are reporting abuses and lying by Bob Grenier.
This meeting is about Bob. This meeting is about Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel endorsing Bob despite the IRON CLAD corroboration that he is a liar and a Felony Child Abuser, while a full endorsed Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel pastor, and an alleged Child Molester…and so many other very bad things…to this very moment.
Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel can (wrongly) assume that every one of us are unsaved attackers from the devil…it would be wrong, but hey, have at it. Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t mean we’re ALL lying and there’s some Grand Conspiracy over 30+ years against poor old Bob the prophet-victim.
If Chuck Smith and surrogates try to take the “attack the victims” / “make this about the victims” route, it will go very poorly for them. If Chuck wants to have a Sin Contest, I’ve got a freaking PILE of really really bad stuff with names and specifics of a long list of Calvary Chapel pastors, Calvary Chapel churches, specific situations, big names, etc etc etc.
The Sin Contest is not a wise move if CC wants to have it. So much adultery, molestation, law breaking, lying, cover up, etc etc in the CC Camp. If this is about who has the least amount of Sin, CC’s gonna lose that one.
I’m not perfect, neither are my brothers, neither are all those bringing testimony against Bob. News flash, Chuck ain’t perfect, Chuck’s kids ain’t perfect, Chuck’s anointed Calvary Chapel pastors ain’t perfect and Bob Grenier sure as hell (ear muffs Rob Bell) ain’t perfect either.
Doesn’t mean that a MOUNTAIN of people with the same stories over and over aren’t telling the truth. Plus, there is Smoking Gun testimony that is IRREFUTABLE that Bob Grenier is a Felony Child Abuser and is lying. Game over on that one.
I will then present the “evidence” and testimonies to Chuck Smith and his surrogates.
I’ll start with the BOMBSHELL and work my way down the list.
It clearly establishes Bob Grenier is a lying, unrepentant Felony Child Abuser…with a Dove.
I’ll address Paul Grenier’s Molestation Allegations against Bob.
Then, I’ll transition into the pile of testimonies about what a jerk Bob has been to so many, and how Bob has crossed very big lines, some potentially criminally and/or civilly actionable. These are FIRST-PERSON direct testimonies and there are a lot of them.
Chuck Smith will then have a choice to make.
If Bob Grenier won’t cop to the sin and remains in stubborn lying unrepentance, 1 Timothy 5:19-22 applies…and Chuck can apply it by yanking Bob’s fully owned / licensed by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa name and dove logo.
That is a public rebuke in my book. Disaffiliate the lying S.O.B. (sorry Nana, you were a good woman…and even you couldn’t stand your jerk son Bob).
If Bob Grenier, by some MIRACLE from God Himself, cops to his lying and sins, then it needs to be made public, Bob needs to find a way to make amends/restitution, etc and “try” to reconcile and submit himself to some sort of Calvary Chapel Restoration Process. Bob should NEVER be allowed around children under any circumstance. He’s lost that.
Chuck Smith can do the right thing and the smart thing by dealing with Bob.
Here’s how it turns into a net positive:
Chuck takes responsibility, yanks the Dove, like he’s done over far less like going Calvinist, going Emergent, not teaching in a style that was deemed CC, prostitution solicitation, etc etc. I have a pile of specific examples, names of pastors, names of Calvary Chapel’s etc who have had Dove Yankage over far less than Child Abusing, Molestation Allegations, Corruption, Beating the Sheep, Crossing Serious lines in Counseling, Not Reporting Child Molestation, etc etc etc.
If Chuck doesn’t yank Bob’s Dove, all of these many examples will come out big time…and Chuck can explain why some Doves get Yanked and some don’t and why he has chosen to continue to fully endorse an IRREFUTABLE Felony Child Abuser and Alleged Child Molester.
You’d think the recent Dino Cardelli molestation conviction and tragedy…and the current Lawsuit Chuck is fighting regarding four boys getting sexually molested by a Calvary Chapel agent who leadership knew had issues with pedophilia, would be motivation enough to do the right thing and deal with Bob Grenier.
It would certainly send a HUGE message of negligence and irresponsibility and prideful arrogance and wrongness to back Bob, despite Smoking Gun evidence.
If Chuck does the right thing, it sends a clear message that this kind of behavior is NOT to be tolerated and counted among Calvary Chapel pastors, employs, agents etc. It sends a message that Papa Chuck is not happy about lying Child Abusing pastors who tarnish his name and the name of Calvary Chapel. I don’t think Chuck likes being lied to and I don’t think he likes the heat Bob Grenier has brought upon him and the other Calvary Chapel pastors.
In the next meeting, Chuck will have the opportunity to hear Common Sense Reforms recommended by leading Child Abuse Advocate Kelly Clark of Portland, Oregon.
Kelly has helped a ton of child abuse victims and has helped Institutions who create Positions of Trust in our Society (of which the animal called the “Calvary Chapel Pastor”, employ, and/or agent is one)…to create a Protocol with really good checks and balances and common sense Best Practices to help REDUCE the chances of a child getting hurt/molested etc in a Church environment.
Nothing will stop ALL abuses. However, there are proven things, that if Chuck Smith is pro-active and voluntarily makes these simple things so…System-wide…via the Affiliation Agreement….will help reduce the chance of abuses.
And, doing all Calvary Chapel can, and LISTENING to the experts in this field…and implementing this easy, common sense stuff…is all I and many others want.
Chuck Smith: Set a new tone before you croak. Do the right thing. Be pro-active. This can turn into a positive story very quickly…and making much needed Reforms is NOT an admission of guilt or liability…it’s a step in Good Faith that shows you care about kids and you are against the bad guys doing bad things.
Whether, Chuck (and your surrogates) you like it or not…whether you admit liability and responsibility or not, doesn’t mean a thing. The Pope in Rome didn’t “admit liability”…and he still lost big time and forked over millions of dollars and has had to make sweeping changes in how the RCC does things.
Do the right thing. Do the smart thing. Listen.