May 142015
Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders arrested for murder.

Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders arrested for murder.

Calvary Chapel Pastor, James Flanders, was arrested today on suspicion of murdering his mistress, Marie Carlson, who gave birth to his child in 2011.

The unsolved murder case was recently featured on the cable t.v. show “Cold Justice” which documented the strange disappearance of Carlson as well as the Flanders’ connection.

According to CBS Affiliate WTVY Channel 4, “Marie was reportedly last seen on October 17, 2011 by Flanders, the father of her then newborn child, at the home on Revere Avenue that they shared with Flanders’s wife. Flanders told investigators Marie was there when he left the residence between 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. on October 17th. She was later reported missing/endangered to the Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office on October 24, 2011 by her ex-husband, Jeff Carlson. Carlson, who resides in Kentucky with his and Marie’s 8 year old daughter, became concerned after being unable to make contact with Marie.”

Calvary Chapel has become well-known for its many scandals including Pastors who have been arrested for child molestation, murder, prostitution solicitation, financial fraud, domestic violence and a litany of other crimes. Calvary Chapel continues to endorse and protect other “affiliated” Pastors who are currently accused by their children of child molestation as well as physical child abuse.

Flanders’ Calvary Chapel Emerald Coast franchise is located in Florida.

You can view the full CBS Affiliate WTVY Channel 4 story here:

“COLD JUSTICE” EPISODE: Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders’ murder of his mistress Marie Carlson:

 Posted by at 10:11 pm
Mar 302015

A federal judge ruled recently that Calvary Chapel Godspeak (Thousand Oaks) was within their rights to fire two teachers who worked at a separate Christian school it owned…because the teachers would not comply with requests to provide references from their pastors about their church attendance and their faith.

Lynda Serrano and Marie Ellen Guevara sued the church for “religious discrimination and wrongful termination” after they were fired for not cooperating with the church-owned school’s new policy.

The crux of the ruling focused on the First Amendment and the judge’s opinion that the church-owned school was within its rights to make the requests and then to fire personnel it deemed as non-compliant or not up to the religious standards set by the church-owned school…because the two teachers are akin to “ministers” since they lead the children in prayer and take them to “chapel” which is a form of church.

According to the L.A. Times: “A 2012 Supreme Court ruling gave religious organizations exemption from federal discrimination laws. The court ruled that the matter would be a case between two religious parties where the government cannot intervene.”

Link to full L.A. Times article here:

 Posted by at 11:21 am
Mar 302015

In reference to the broken/sinful condition of humanity:

“Inordinate guilt feelings is pathological…and no guilt feelings is even more pathological”

-Tim Keller

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  • Alex Joye There is no need for guilt when you create your own narrative and justify your bad actions as “protecting the MINISTRY of the Lord!”
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  • Bryan Stupar Alex, thats exactly Keller’s point. He went on to say that when our narrative contains no authority higher than ourselves (God, god/goddess, etc), then we write the rules, omitting the guilt rendering it superfluous.
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  • Bryan Stupar In other words, much of modern western culture.
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  • Alex Joye Unfortunately, the church writes its own rules as well…and creates a hierarchy of ‘sins’ that it makes peace with…while taboo’ing other sins. For instance, Gluttony, Pride, Lying, Divorce…not a big deal, very well tolerated…whereas Homosexuality is a major taboo.
  • Lisa Silveira Good word!
  • Alex Joye I can see no greater sin than Pride and creating a Cult-of-Personalities of church leaders…yet that dynamic is actually encouraged and promoted by the church…whereas other taboo sins raise the ire of those same church-goers. Very troubling.
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  • Alex Joye The church (evangelical) feels no guilt for the sins of making mega-rich mega-stars and building altars to its celebrity leaders and showering them with money and adoration…while largely ignoring those Jesus said we are to spend our time and attention helping (including our own families). The followers are probably more responsible than the leaders they raise up and put on the pedestals. Yet, no guilt…none at all.
  • Alex Joye I doubt any will feel any guilt over this, but I personally refuse to support “ministries” that are pretty much rich/wealthy cult-of-personalities that create their own narrative and create their own morality…while doing the opposite of what I read about Jesus in the Gospels.
  • Alex Joye Unfortunately, the “church” is as much responsible for the “modern western culture” as anything else…the church is a part of that culture and has helped shape that culture both by what it promotes as well as by the hypocrisy it demonstrates to those outside the church. The church can be very instructive by what it says, what it does, what it ignores, what it tolerates, what it rails against. The church lost its “moral authority” a long time ago.
  • Bryan Stupar The reality is we all struggle to submit our wills to God. 

    We all have blind spots where we make our own rules…and when we do you can be certain that suffering isn’t to far behind.
  • Alex Joye “The reality is we all struggle to submit our wills to God. ” Yes, and what is that? I don’t believe “god’s will” is based on the authority of a particular church sect and what its gurus tell you is “god’s will”…as those leaders have no moral authority as exampled by their own immorality and their own injustice.
  • Alex Joye For example, the Calvary Chapel sect says it has no authority with regards to moral matters within its own Group…yet claims it has the moral authority to speak against those outside their church like the evil homosexuals etc.
  • Alex Joye 1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
  • Alex Joye “and when we do you can be certain that suffering isn’t to far behind.” Those who create their own narrative will simply spin this as “God promises tough times and persecution for his holy righteous followers!”
  • Alex Joye And, of course, those tough times or consequences to bad actions will simply be spun as “it’s an attack from the devil! Woe is me!” Again, it’s largely a bunch of b.s. Bryan and you’ve seen it first hand in your own church sect among your leaders.
  • Alex Joye A part of the church has lost its moral authority and for good reason. There are still lots of good things that churches do and some church sects have a much better record than others…but the decline in evangelicalism is largely a direct result of the church’s own doing. Sowing and Reaping principal in action.
  • Alex Joye To be crystal clear, none of this is directed to you personally, Bryan. I think you are sincere and doing the best you can while being affiliated with a bad organization.
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 Posted by at 9:45 am
Mar 212015


Proverbs 11:16 “A gracious woman retains honor, But ruthless men retain riches.”

Proverbs 11:17 “The merciful man does good for his own soul, But he who is cruel troubles his own flesh.”

2. Ruthless men retain riches.

Proverbs 11:16 “A gracious woman retains honor, But ruthless men retain riches.”

Moving on now to a certain type of man.
He is called ruthless.
Or violent.
The word comes from a word meaning to dread, fear oppress, break to terrify.
And it came to mean terrible, or terrible one, a strong, mighty terror-striking man.
Unfortunately for the world there are these types of men in it.
These types of men, these violent men get rich.

4. But he who is cruel troubles his own flesh.

Proverbs 11:17 “The merciful man does good for his own soul, But he who is cruel troubles his own flesh.”

On the other hand, we are told about another type of man.
The cruel man.
The word cruel comes from a word meaning fierce. Apparently meaning to act harshly.
This type of man is contrasted with the man who is merciful.
And here is what happens to him.
He will trouble his own flesh.
Or he will destroy himself.
His cruel heart will bring about the destruction of his own flesh.
This could even extend to his wife, and his children, who are his own flesh.
His cruel heart can destroy many.

Some Questions and Applications:

1. We see these two types of people everyday, don’t we?

2. We see gracious or merciful women.

3. We see ruthless or violent men.

4. And we see merciful men, and sad to say cruel men.

5. What’s on the outside comes from what is on the inside.

6. The inner heart determines what the outer life will be like.

7. Isn’t it great to know we know the changer of hearts.

8. He is the one who can give a man or a woman a new heart, a heart like His own.

Link to Pastor Bob’s full devotional here:

Amen, Bob. Now go look in the mirror and say this whole devotional to yourself and confess and repent and seek to make amends to all those you have been cruel and unmerciful to over your many years as a tyrant, bully and abuser at your Calvary Chapel franchise. He also states that “these types of men, these violent men get rich”…well, Bob has been living high on the Jesus Money for a long time…$750,000 (reportedly) from a separate non-profit called Reaching Youth (that was supposed to help kids) ended up in Bob’s General Fund…and he uses that General Fund (according to many sources) like it is his own personal piggy-bank.

This is an important lesson for the Church and for pastors…your sin will find you out. Don’t abuse God’s children.

 Posted by at 12:31 pm
Mar 202015

Following is an excerpt of a letter/testimony of a recent bookkeeper of Calvary Chapel Visalia. It was given to me to present to Chuck Smith (then living) in our attempts to deal with the Bob Grenier and Calvary Chapel Visalia situation inside the Calvary Chapel System.

The letter is also included in the evidence attachments in our defense of Bob Grenier’s lawsuit against me.

I am being sued for defamation and I am innocent. I told the truth as I know it and believe it…truths communicated to me by credible sources who are in a position to know these issues…and corroborated by other credible sources.

“Dear Pastor Chuck Smith:

Before I begin with my testimony regarding what I have personally seen, heard, and experienced in regards to Bob Grenier, I would like to give a little background about my family and myself. In January of 2007, we attended our first mission’s conference at Murrieta Hot Springs since our home church (Calvary Chapel San Luis Obispo) encouraged us to go since we had expressed a desire to serve as missionaries to the country of Ukraine. It was there at the conference that God changed our lives forever. We heard George Markey speak and were eager to learn from him, so we hung on his ever word; knowing that he was the pioneer of sorts to go out to Ukraine with his whole family and leave everything in order to serve the Lord in that country and to see the people there come to know Jesus. He planted the first Calvary Chapel in Ukraine. Upon speaking with George after the conference, he encouraged us to go where the Lord was calling us to go. Soon after, we met Phil Metzger who encouraged us to come for their missions training program in order to prepare for a life as missionaries in Ukraine. The next month, we were able to leave everything that we knew here to attend the 1 to 2 semesters Missions Training Program with the intention upon going to serve in Ukraine as missionaries. God brought our dreams to pass and we served faithfully in Ukraine for almost 3 years. We returned back to stay here in California in March 2010 due to my health problems and also to care for my husband’s aging parents.

I worked for Calvary Chapel Visalia as their bookkeeper from the end of July 2010 until August 2011. Upon my taking this position as bookkeeper, the previous administrator, Kevin Mizner, was well aware (as was Pastor Bob) of my health problems and my need to be evaluated and treated.  During my time there, I was aware that Pastor Bob and Gayle were having problems with all but one of their sons and that accusations had been made against them. At the time, we decided it best that we let them handle what we thought to be their own family issues and would give them the benefit of the doubt that they were indeed telling the truth in regards to what had happened. I had read some of the things that written on the blog and couldn’t believe that my Pastor and his wife would be guilty of such things. We still chose to stand by them and believe them, as we had no reason not to.

During my time as a bookkeeper I had a strong conviction that my job was given to me by the Lord and I took that responsibility very seriously. The Lord’s money is something that should be taken seriously because people give these tithes and are giving them unto the Lord. That being said, I believe God’s money should also be handled correctly and wisely.

There are several things that I found to be an inappropriate/illegal use of funds during my time there. Whether this is right or wrong in the eyes of the law, I never found it appropriate, ethical, or biblically correct for our Pastor to charge every penny of his fuel to the church credit card.  I realize that the church card is under his name personally, but he had made the choice at some point before me to utilize this card strictly for church expenses.  But, there were many times that he would take his youngest son, Robert Jr., to U2 concerts (this is just one example), and their family would take trips together that were not ministry, all of which was paid for on the church credit card. Pastor Bob has always proudly and regularly boasted from the pulpit that he was in debt to no one and was proud that the Lord has allowed him to be debt free. Pastor Bob allowed the church to pay for all of his fuel costs whether they were ministry related or not. He also never once produced a receipt for anything that he ever charged on the card, even though the church’s accountant had told me that they could be audited for not doing so.

I did not appreciate the way he would treat me when he asked me to do certain things that were contrary to normal accounting procedures, as the church’s accountant had instructed me. For instance, he had purchased something on the church card in which he quickly produced a check as reimbursement for the credit card charge. He had then asked that I apply the payment immediately to the church card. When I tried to explain that I could deposit his check, but that the payment for the charge in question should not be paid until the statement appeared, he became very angry with me and would not let me speak as I was trying to explain to him the simple accounting practice of a debit and a credit. He kept shushing me and would not allow me to explain. I tried to tell him that I could deposit his reimbursement into the account that I would expense it from, but he would not let me explain anything. I felt very frustrated and confused when I came in to work the next day and had an email notice from the Visa card telling me that a payment to that account had posted for said amount of his reimbursement check. He had asked DiDi, his daughter–in-law, to pay the credit card for that amount behind my back. At that point, being that it was at the end of my two-week notice, I gave up trying to help and/or explain just how to handle credit card statements and payments.

Also, on a consistent basis, Pastor Bob would charge high dollar charges ($1000.00 or more) to the church card and claim each time that it was a mistake on his or Gayle’s part and the money would be paid back right away. It wasn’t until he and his younger son, Robert Jr., took a personal trip to Italy with the church’s Visa flight miles, that I realized that these charges were probably not an accident at all.  I just didn’t think that was an appropriate way to disperse flight miles, especially when everyone in the office is under the impression that those flight miles were to be used to fund missionary trips.

Another mishandling of money (actually, it is illegal) is that the salary for Susie Dowds is being paid to Susie, with the understanding that the money being paid to her, is to cover the salary for both her and her husband, Greg Dowds.  The reason for this is to prevent his payments for some sort of disability from being cut. I discovered this as I was inputting the church budget into Quick Books because on the budget for Susie’s salary, it includes her husbands name as well. The money that she is paid is extremely disproportionate to the amount of work she does compared to other employees. 

The church has also been committing insurance fraud for quite sometime now in regards to Pastor Bob’s daughter in law being insured, along with his son and grand daughter. Even though DiDi is salaried as the Children’s Director, she is listed in the payroll system as part time.  On average, she works no more than 16 hours a week. And that is on a busy week when there is an event. She receives full benefits working very part time. Also, she took over as the bookkeeper. This is not wise as it leaves the door open for financial mishandling of God’s money. “

 Posted by at 2:29 pm