Nov 122015

Christianity Today reports that Saeed Abedini’s wife, Nagmeh, outs “abuse” in her marriage and halts her public advocacy for his release.

This public disclosure opens up Nagmeh to a defamation lawsuit, very similar to what Pastor Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia has been doing for years…and Calvary Chapel Association and Calvary Chapel is likely to remain silent and back Saeed as is their practice over the years.

Read the full story here:

 Posted by at 2:38 pm
Sep 082015

Posted Publicly on Pastor Alan Hawkins Facebook page. Alan is a friend and a good dude. I think this is an important issue to discuss….and there are no easy answers:

So this is my professor and he is wanting feedback. Take a close look and reply if you will. Dr. Ruthven is challenging some protestant expositions.


In response to a query from a friend, I am working through what “salvation” means. Certainly, in traditional Christian theology, “salvation” means being forgiven of sins, regenerated and being good, then in a position to go to heaven. I just attended a church service where I heard exactly that.

In the Synoptics, however, “salvation” pretty much always means “healing” or “rescue.” Even in Mt 1:21 and Hb 9:28 Jesus’ “saving” from sins may have had a primary referent to the broken covenant penalties of Dt 28, not simply going to hell, hence, the emphasis on healing in the NT “gospel.”

Since the Synoptic Gospels (Mt, Mk, Lk) were written, mostly later, as summaries and “big picture” correctives to a Christianity that immediately began to drift off course in so many ways, we ought to take these Gospels (and John) as our prime source, and not dismiss them as “historical prologue” to the “real stuff”–“justification by faith” in Paul, as Luther and Calvin taught. (Paul was more amenable to Protestant “demythologizing” of the Gospel than the Gospels themselves).

The Gospels, then, were attempts to reset and recenter Jesus’ original mission and message. Based on the direction church doctrine took after the introduction of the Gospels, it seems that this “reset” didn’t really succeed. Maybe that success would come far in the future, but certainly not from the 2nd century and thereafter, where Christianity increasingly became an exercise in human/demonic speculation and pontificating (creeds and apologetics), not revelation and power. In the NT, demons always “knew” perfect “theology”; they did not “know” God in the way of knowing that God requires.

In my view, we can’t persist in the charismatic tweaking of the Protestant ordo salutis: get “saved,” then filled with the Spirit. The NT seems to promote John the Baptist’s program of “repent and be baptized and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” It seems to me that “repent” means to move from a basic epistemology of the “wrong tree” to the tree of life: moving from the Serpent’s words to the Spirit’s. The immediate goal here is “obedience.” (Paul’s mission was “obedience from the Gentiles”). You can’t “obey” God until you, in some sense, hear his voice telling us what to obey.

There was a man who said he couldn’t become a Christian until he gave up his cigarettes. Normally, I would respond that he needed a “salvation” experience which would then empower him to give up the habit. But I wonder if this man and his cigarettes may have been God’s test to show if he was really going to obey God’s revelation: was he going to hear and obey God in this defining test or not? The cigarettes, by themselves, are trivial, the test of obedience is everything–the first step toward “salvation” that is, life in the revealing, empowering Spirit/presence of God. “Repent” means “turning in the opposite direction”–away from one way of living to another: it involves a basic decision, and action, for total change.

SALVATION IS DEFINED IN THE NT AS ENTERING THE NEW COVENANT defined in Acts 2:39, citing Isa 59:21, and 2 Cor 3, describing Jer 31:33 (also Heb 12:18-25), receiving the New Covenant Spirit of prophecy and power. THIS IS THE MISSION OF JESUS DEFINED IN ALL FOUR GOSPELS: “He will baptize in the Holy Spirit.”

I think, therefore, that the defining pattern for becoming a “Christian” is Acts 2:38-39, and its citation of Isa 59:21–a citation that traditional theology has denied: it is a single package of repentance, baptism, to the goal of receiving the Spirit (the charismatic Spirit of prophecy and power).

“THIS is my covenant with them,” says the Lord: “My Spirit that is upon you, and my words that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your offspring, or out of the mouth of your children’s offspring,” says the Lord, “from this time forth and forevermore.”

So the goal and expression of “salvation” is really the “baptism in the Holy Spirit,” which means, you are immersed in God’s presence, communication, and life. This is the opposite of living “in the flesh”–human weakness without God’s empowering, leading to death. A “man of the Spirit” or a “man of God” in the Bible is one who was a prophet: one who lived in the voice, obedience and power of God to heal and deliver from demonic influence. THIS is “salvation” in the NT. This essentially charismatic experience is flatly denied in traditional Protestantism (e.g., Sect. 1, Westminster Confession).

So, to “repent and be baptized” means to choose the basic way of “hearing” to the Spirit, to be “washed” of that former way of thinking/heeding (the source of all “sins”), and then entering into the realm of God’s Spirit–the power of revelation and power, “cleansed” of demonic input.

One example of how far the Protestant notion of “salvation” drifted is the case of the Philippian jailer: “What must I do to be saved” meant: “How can I have my sins forgiven and go to heaven!” Talk about “demythologizing!” What he was asking was, “The government is going to kill me and enslave my family if these prisoners escape! How do I avoid that?” Paul’s answer was the universal answer to ALL the desperate situations of ALL mankind: “Have faith (hear God’s voice and obey) in the Lord Jesus Christ–all that he taught and modeled about hearing and obeying the Father/Spirit–and you will be rescued from every evil–in God’s own way !”–including the problem of the prisoners escaping.

The basic difference between traditional “salvation” and that of the NT is as follows:

Traditional emphasis: 1) man in sinful state going to hell. 2) ordo salutis, behaves ethically, 3) qualifies for heaven

New Testament emphasis: 1) man denying revelation from God (Rom 1); life in chaos, suffering penalties of Dt 28; 2) hears/heeds revelation, repents (heeds God, not serpent), is “baptized” in Spirit, able to hear and obey and become a charismatic evangelist/disciple as per mandate of Mark 3:14-15 (actually, the mandate for Adam–all mankind), and further spelled out in, e.g., Lk 9&10, Mt 28:19-20; Acts 1:8. The NT emphasis on “salvation,” then, is not on getting “saved” from hell, but to become a Spirit-filled disciple as the NT defines it.

In both cases, of course, hell and heaven are ultimate factors. It’s just that the NT concentrates on the here-and-now and how to be “providers” of God’s “grace/charisms” whereas in the Protestant system you are “saved” to be a permanent, paying “consumer” of ecclesiastical services, including “salvation.” I realize this is an extreme caricature of these positions, but it’s to show the contrast.

Bottom line: I don’t think we should assume the Protestant meaning of “salvation” if we are to get at the NT goals for human existence.
To tradition, “salvation” was getting rid of sins to qualify for heaven. To the NT, “salvation” was deliverance from a demonic way of knowing to a life of revelation in the Spirit of prophecy and power–obedience to God and assuming the mandate of Mark 3:14-15.

Feedback appreciated !

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  • Alex Joye Happy to answer. But he probably won’t like it smile emoticon
  • Alex Joye I have been asking and answering that question for over 20 years.
  • Alan Hawkins I assure you that your answer would not unhinge the professor.
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    • Alex Joye I’m sure it wouldn’t, he has his mind made up.
    • Alex Joye …or at least his apologetic
    • Alex Joye Pride and fear. It’s why the “professor” will never get a glimpse of the real Truth. He’s too proud to humble himself that he doesn’t know…and too fearful to be brutally honest about things. It’s only when you get to that place that I think you get a glimpse at the Truth.
    • Alex Joye Men like him spend their entire lives chasing an Apologetic and finding more sophisticated ways to appear like they know something to gullible folks.
    • Alan Hawkins You are way out of line Alex and you have no idea the price he has paid and by the way he lived in Idaho for a long time. He went there as a refugee and critic of the system and lived in hiddenness and personal self sacrifice for a long time so take care with your analysis of somebody you don’t know.
    • Alex Joye Ask him what he thinks of my comments. Then tell me his response. Then I’ll tell you what the Truth is about him.
    • Alex Joye …but don’t tell him you are going to tell me his response or his defense mechanism will make him answer dishonestly.
    • Alan Hawkins Alex making judgements and assumptions about people you do not know is so far out of line it makes you someone that people cannot interact with.
    • Alex Joye Tell me what he says after reading my comments w/o telling him you’ll tell me…then I’ll know an awful lot about him.
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    • Alex Joye We’ll find out the Truth of what he knows and not the B.S. veneer.
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    • Alan Hawkins No I will not mediate such a thing… go to his page and communicate directly.
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    • Alex Joye No problem. I can already guess how it will go b/c I’ve tested many like him. I don’t need to know…but it sounds like some of your readers would benefit from finding out whether his supposed knowledge actually means anything in real life.
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    • Alex Joye …I can tell you from having tested many a man…the higher the pedestal…the farther the fall….and much of what they toil after means nothing when push comes to shove.
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    • Alex Joye High probability he would respond in a very defensive manner, his pride would be tweaked. He would then go into a rigorous defense of his apologetic or he would simply name-call politely and dismiss me when it got difficult to resolve and defend his position. Very unlikely he would spend the time to have an intellectually honest discussion, and very unlikely he would come to the conclusion based on that discussion that he really doesn’t know very much for sure…as that is too humbling and fearful a position for men like him.
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    • Alex Joye THAT is where the proverbial rubber meets the road. I have a gift for peeling back the veneer. It’s not pleasant for those who it is applied to…but it produces more real-world Truth than the PR and veneer of Religion.
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    • Alex Joye You’re a good dude Alan. I’ve sifted you just a little and you generally come up as a good man. Not intending any of this toward you personally.
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    • Alex Joye I come at things from very different angles. It’s not conventional…but it is very effective.
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    • Alex Joye One thing I know well…humans and human nature.
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    • Alan Hawkins Since you know human nature you know that if you attack someone there are very few who would endure an unprovoked attack with any assumption that you are a benevolent reasonable person.
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    • Alex Joye Hey, I didn’t say the Jesus stuff was easy…just calling b.s. and you’ll find out the real story when push comes to shove. Supposedly you are “transformed” when saved….no? Err, not so much.
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    • Alex Joye He’ll respond just like most everyone does…which is not very much like Jesus.
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    • Alex Joye Easy to preach the stuff, easy to make careers of it, to get degrees in it, to write books about it. Much harder to actually do it.
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    • Alex Joye As you stated, everyone will respond in a similar manner to adversity, to provocation, etc. Jesus taught very clearly how to respond to that…yet very few can do it in real life. Yet, you sell a “Transformation Gospel”…and yet very very very few humans can do what Jesus said you are to do. So who is fooling who? The “professor” can engage in intellectual masturbation all he wants and tell you how smart he is and what “real salvation” is…but it probably isn’t true or contains some truth, but is not the Absolute. Truth is, we don’t really know what “salvation” is. Most humans respond the same way to a variety of things. They may change some of their behaviors like getting off of drugs, kicking a bad alcohol habit, etc…but many do that through non-religious means as well, and Mormons and other Sects report very similar “testimonies” and “transformations”…heck even the Scientologists report “transformations”. But, when push comes to shove, the vast majority of humans respond the same way to adversity, provocation etc either overtly or in their hearts. The Gospel doesn’t “transform” you that much at all. So what is “Salvation”?
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 Posted by at 12:02 pm
Aug 262015

Sources report that Paul Grenier, son of Pastor Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia, has issued a statement to Calvary Chapel members and others in which he recants the testimony he gave under oath in a court declaration in a defamation lawsuit brought by his parents Bob and Gayle Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia against Tim Taylor and Alex Joye-Grenier (their step-son). The lawsuit is currently before the Tulare County Superior Court.

The case is still ongoing and there is a trial date set for September 13, 2016. Commentary and Opinion: From day one I have sought the truth in these matters and reported things that are in the Public’s Interest. Paul Grenier was a trusted named source with a compelling story until this very recent statement.

Here is the text that was sent to me by a source and confirmed by other sources. Paul Grenier and Calvary Chapel authorities were contacted for comment, and at the time of publication have not responded.


   I wanted to take a moment of your time to update you on some positive news regarding my family. As you may know, there has been a divide within our family for a number of years. I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify statements made by me regarding my father, Bob Grenier. Additionally, I would like to provide some insight into circumstances surrounding those statements. My goal with this letter is to apologize, rebuild trust and to take back my prior statements.   On February 8, 2013, I executed a Declaration in support of my brother’s defense in the lawsuit between he and my parents. In that declaration, I accused Bob Grenier of molesting me. That did not happen.   At the time I executed the Declaration I was suffering from long term drug and alcohol addiction. This struggle has been something I have had tried to overcome since I was 16 years old. Throughout my early and mid-20’s I was in-volved in unhealthy forms of mental therapy. Specifically, repressed memory counseling and various forms of going “clear” through the Church of Scientology. In addition to these forms of counseling, there are large portions of the last 12 years that I do no remember due to the sheer number of prescription drugs racing through my body.   In March of 2015, I suffered a drug overdose as a result of my long term drug addiction and desire to commit suicide. Fortunately, I survived.   I feel tremendously blessed to have the support of my parents through what has been a very trying time for all of us. After struggling with mental health and addiction issues for the better half of my life, I have now been able to retain my sobriety and discontinue any drug use whatsoever. I am working with a counselor toward a better life and strengthening my mental and physical health while at the same time attempting to better understand some of the regretful and hurtful actions I have taken.   I regret executing the Declaration wherein I accused Bob Grenier of molesting me. This was done at a time where I was suffering so deeply with memory loss, drug addiction and a true inability to decipher fact from fiction. Many days I was in a catatonic state.   Further, I was unable to accurately recall details of my past. With that said, I would like you to know that I recant in its entirety the Declaration that was executed by me on February 8, 2013. Specifically, the statements that Bob Grenier was a child molester or molested me. 
   My goal today is to move forward with my life and re-build a healthy and loving relationship with my parents. I feel very blessed to have such supportive, forgiving people in my life to help guide me in making healthy choices. While there is much I cannot disclose about my past life, I hope I have been able to share enough with you to help provide some insight into my thoughts and mental state at the time these accusations were made by me.   Many of you I have known since I was a child and I would continue to ask for your prayers for my entire family. No family is perfect. In fact, many families suffer from a myriad of problems. I am quickly learning that being kind to-ward people might make all the difference in their day. You truly do not know what a stranger may be struggling with in that very moment.   In closing, I would like to thank you for supporting Bob and Gayle through this painful ordeal. I would also like to humbly ask that you continue to stand by them as your support means the world to them. Although I cannot go back and make a brand new start, I can start from today and make a brand new ending. 
Paul Grenier”

Here is a link to Paul Grenier’s original Declaration given under oath that he is now recanting (click the red link below):

May 142015
Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders arrested for murder.

Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders arrested for murder.

Calvary Chapel Pastor, James Flanders, was arrested today on suspicion of murdering his mistress, Marie Carlson, who gave birth to his child in 2011.

The unsolved murder case was recently featured on the cable t.v. show “Cold Justice” which documented the strange disappearance of Carlson as well as the Flanders’ connection.

According to CBS Affiliate WTVY Channel 4, “Marie was reportedly last seen on October 17, 2011 by Flanders, the father of her then newborn child, at the home on Revere Avenue that they shared with Flanders’s wife. Flanders told investigators Marie was there when he left the residence between 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. on October 17th. She was later reported missing/endangered to the Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office on October 24, 2011 by her ex-husband, Jeff Carlson. Carlson, who resides in Kentucky with his and Marie’s 8 year old daughter, became concerned after being unable to make contact with Marie.”

Calvary Chapel has become well-known for its many scandals including Pastors who have been arrested for child molestation, murder, prostitution solicitation, financial fraud, domestic violence and a litany of other crimes. Calvary Chapel continues to endorse and protect other “affiliated” Pastors who are currently accused by their children of child molestation as well as physical child abuse.

Flanders’ Calvary Chapel Emerald Coast franchise is located in Florida.

You can view the full CBS Affiliate WTVY Channel 4 story here:

“COLD JUSTICE” EPISODE: Calvary Chapel Pastor James Flanders’ murder of his mistress Marie Carlson:

 Posted by at 10:11 pm
Mar 302015

A federal judge ruled recently that Calvary Chapel Godspeak (Thousand Oaks) was within their rights to fire two teachers who worked at a separate Christian school it owned…because the teachers would not comply with requests to provide references from their pastors about their church attendance and their faith.

Lynda Serrano and Marie Ellen Guevara sued the church for “religious discrimination and wrongful termination” after they were fired for not cooperating with the church-owned school’s new policy.

The crux of the ruling focused on the First Amendment and the judge’s opinion that the church-owned school was within its rights to make the requests and then to fire personnel it deemed as non-compliant or not up to the religious standards set by the church-owned school…because the two teachers are akin to “ministers” since they lead the children in prayer and take them to “chapel” which is a form of church.

According to the L.A. Times: “A 2012 Supreme Court ruling gave religious organizations exemption from federal discrimination laws. The court ruled that the matter would be a case between two religious parties where the government cannot intervene.”

Link to full L.A. Times article here:

 Posted by at 11:21 am